Are people really basically good?

[ajax18]

Ajax has absolutely no idea what led the perpetrators to commit a horrible act of violence.

No I don't. Where would I find what these eight have to say for themselves? I'd really be interested in hearing their side of the story. What do you think my chances are of getting a straight forward honest answer from them or their attorneys?

We've talked about the studies of race and the judicial system that show that black suspects are treated more harshly at every stage of the process

Is this your explanation for why they raped, tortured, and killed a fellow sister? Is this why the victim didn't call 911 in your opinion? Fear of racist police? I could see the defund the police movement as good reason for white officers just not being assigned to black areas because it's a catch 22 situation for them. If they try to save the victim, they might injure the assassin which could land them in prison for life, or have LeBron James call for their lynching on social media.

[Res Ipsa]

Ajax has absolutely no idea what led the perpetrators to commit a horrible act of violence.

No I don't. Where would I find what these eight have to say for themselves? I'd really be interested in hearing their side of the story. What do you think my chances are of getting a straight forward honest answer from them or their attorneys?

We've talked about the studies of race and the judicial system that show that black suspects are treated more harshly at every stage of the process

Is this your explanation for why they raped, tortured, and killed a fellow sister? Is this why the victim didn't call 911 in your opinion? Fear of racist police? I could see the defund the police movement as good reason for white officers just not being assigned to black areas because it's a catch 22 situation for them. If they try to save the victim, they might injure the assassin which could land them in prison for life, or have LeBron James call for their lynching on social media.

You’re continuing to make up things that you can’t possibly know. And, no, I’m not the one in this conversation making up reasons for why these folks committed a heinous crime. I’m simply rebutting your fantasy that their motive has something to with liberal judges being soft on crime committed by black folks.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Quick, Ajax, without googling the answer, tell us who Billy Wagner is!

- Doc

[huckelberry]

In many cultures there have been criminal or violent gangs that employ participation in violence to earn ones place in the organization. A violent organization can use willingness to employ unflinching violence as a means of power, means of commitment, and ensuring loyalty.

The fact that white groups have done this sort of things does not mean black groups or Hispanic or Asian groups might not employ the same things.

I of course do not know for sure about these people I am making a guess based upon general likelihood.

As far as basically good, I think people are basically variable, malleable, and inventive.

[Moksha]

"Could we have more cowbell with my Sadaukar? By the way, I am sending a squadron of them to root out all the miscreants my good friend Ajax tells me about. Wow!"
--Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV


PS. Let the Mormon Guild know the tithing will continue to flow.

[Gunnar]

or would have been any less likely to happen if Trump had won instead?

I was waiting for you to say it was Trump's fault. Why exactly did this happen in your opinion? Lack of social welfare program funding, rural white people who own firearms? Right wing extremism? Systemic racism in the Alabama school and legal system? It couldn't possibly be due to the abolition of religious faith and the destruction of the family unit that has resulted in a culture of morally degenerate people.

I didn't say it was Trump's fault. I only said that it would not have been any less likely to happen had Trump been President at the time. But blaming this event on Democrats and conservatives is at least as irrational as blaming it on Trump. Please note, though, that this atrocity happened in a deeply red Republican, conservative state -- not a Blue, Democrat led state.

Obviously the perpetrators were not at all worried about being caught doing what they did or whatever punishment might follow, given they documented their deeds with video for all the world to see. Why is that?

I have no idea why they were not worried about being caught, and I don't think you do either. But certainly it was stupid of them to be so confident they wouldn't be caught or prosecuted for it.

Could no fault divorce or the fact that people now feel no obligation to get legally married at all have something to do with that?

I seriously doubt that. There is no credible evidence of it.

Would this have happened in these same people grew up attending primary or seminary in your opinion?

Perhaps not, but there are certainly documented examples of people with deep religious upbringings who have done things most of us would have regarded as atrocious.

Schmo would probably tell you that religion caused them to do this and if they grew up as atheists society their superior morals would have made perpetrating such actions unthinkable.

Schmo is certainly correct that religious zealots, including some regarding themselves as devout Christians, have committed some of the most unspeakable atrocities in history in furtherance of their faith. And it is a well-documented fact that atheists are very much underrepresented in our prisons and criminal communities. Survey reveals only .02% of prisoners identify as atheists.

What Hamasniks do is understandable. They've been trained up in a false religion and taught to hate and kill Jews from the time they're born. What these eight people demonstrated was the result of as you say, "People raising themselves." So why are people raising themselves?

What those 8 people did have nothing whatsoever to do with HAMAS. Certainly what HAMAS has done and is continuing to do is despicable. I am convinced that they have probably harmed even more Palestinians than they have Jews. But the very real atrocities that HAMAS has inflicted on both innocent Jews and Palestinians does not justify the very real and documented atrocities the Jewish IDF have inflicted on Palestinians in retaliation.

[IWMP]

Are people inherently evil? The world is grim. People do all sorts of evil. No idea why they want to.

I agree with Jersey Girl, some people have neglect and bad stuff going on. But at the end of the day we choose who we want to be.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ray Holmberg, a ND legislator was just popped on child porn charges. He’s white.

Also:



White people are evil if we’re using Ajax’s standards.

- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ajax has absolutely no idea what led the perpetrators to commit a horrible act of violence.

No I don't. Where would I find what these eight have to say for themselves? I'd really be interested in hearing their side of the story. What do you think my chances are of getting a straight forward honest answer from them or their attorneys?

We've talked about the studies of race and the judicial system that show that black suspects are treated more harshly at every stage of the process

Is this your explanation for why they raped, tortured, and killed a fellow sister? Is this why the victim didn't call 911 in your opinion? Fear of racist police? I could see the defund the police movement as good reason for white officers just not being assigned to black areas because it's a catch 22 situation for them. If they try to save the victim, they might injure the assassin which could land them in prison for life, or have LeBron James call for their lynching on social media.

This gross white man blew his wife away while being filmed by his wife, who is white, and had an affair.

https://abc7chicago.com/carey-birmingha ... /14504818/

White people. SMFH.

- Doc

[honorentheos]

What Dr. Bokovoy said reminds me of the cognitive bias called fundamental attribution error. When we see someone else do something bad, we assign the "badness" to their nature. When we do bad things, we point out all of the contingent circumstances that led us to make a bad choice. What Dr. Bokovy is doing is similar to saying "extend the same benefit of the doubt to others that you extend to yourself."

Thanks for restating this, res. It was a helpful, appreciated reminder in general.

I don't subscribe to the belief in libertarian freewill, yet see society requiring accountability as if it were infact so. Reconcile this with our inherent expectation for justice gets complicated.