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by _leeirons
Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:53 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: True Doctrine
Replies: 120
Views: 49708

Wow! Where do I begin... Well for starters I'd appreciate it, if you would quote whatever section of my reply you are addressing and then address what I actually say. I failed to see almost any point in what you were saying, so I could not address anything specific. The only thing I saw was a gener...
by _leeirons
Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:14 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: True Doctrine
Replies: 120
Views: 49708

previously: In presenting a case it is important that evidence be considered as part of a complete package alongside other evidence. One piece of evidence on its own may seem unreliable or insignificant but considered alongside other evidence that one piece may add to the puzzle to help solve it an...
by _leeirons
Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:47 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: In retrospect, the thing that bothered me most
Replies: 120
Views: 55895

"He also said that because we (Christians) should have hope and joy in the resurrection, that if there is no resurrection, then we of all people are most miserable." I'm not miserable, so he was wrong. I like these easy claims, very easy to counter. How was Paul wrong about you not being ...
by _leeirons
Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:25 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: Culture Vs. Doctrine
Replies: 15
Views: 11616

Let me reword the question. What things do you think are done or are believed that had a cultural beginning, and not a beginning in prophecy (whether falsified or true). For example, I think the direction young people are given to get married and have kids as soon as possible is a practice that was ...
by _leeirons
Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:59 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: True Doctrine
Replies: 120
Views: 49708

In presenting a case it is important that evidence be considered as part of a complete package alongside other evidence. One piece of evidence on its own may seem unreliable or insignificant but considered alongside other evidence that one piece may add to the puzzle to help solve it and present a ...
by _leeirons
Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:34 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: Culture Vs. Doctrine
Replies: 15
Views: 11616

Culture Vs. Doctrine

Using honest introspection, what are some claims or complaints that you have (i.e. against the Church of Jesus Christ of Letter-day Saints and anything that has been related to it) that are probably cultural in nature, and not doctrinal? In other words, what are some beliefs or practices among Mormo...
by _leeirons
Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:16 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: Is lack of specificity in prophecy a cause for concern?
Replies: 34
Views: 16651

What do you think about the following? It seems pretty specific. Or do you think this was a common expectation of most people living at that time, but Joseph Smith wrote it down so as to appear to be a prophet to those of us living today, since we would have lost memory of such common community opin...
by _leeirons
Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:32 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: In retrospect, the thing that bothered me most
Replies: 120
Views: 55895

Excuse me if I'm skeptical of you "trying to understand", but I'll take you at your word. This is a self-admitted assumption on your part. ;-) " Do members become "agnostic" toward the teachings of the Church just based upon logical reasoning, or must the logical reasoning ...
by _leeirons
Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:27 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Live brainwashing at the Y: You know more about God
Replies: 24
Views: 13267

That's what I did in my life. I believed my primary, sunday school, seminary, priesthood, young men's, quorum of the twelve and prophets. I believed. "Read only books that increase your faith." -- I did. "Don't read anti-Mormon books." -- I didn't. "Pay your tithing, go on ...
by _leeirons
Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:04 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Live brainwashing at the Y: You know more about God
Replies: 24
Views: 13267

When I was a missionary it went like this... MM, you seem to have used this statement is at least a few posts in an attempt to impart some level of credibility to your statements. lee, I hope you're a better scientist than psychologist. Your attempt at analyzing me, except for the benefit of weak b...