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by MG 2.0
Mon May 13, 2024 9:00 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.
Replies: 78
Views: 2016

Re: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.

I suppose you would have to answer that question for yourself. Regards, MG I don't know. As of now I am not aware of anyone knowing. Believing that they know is quite widespread in today's world and it hasn't lossed its ability to infect politics, medical care and almost all religions. I think Carl...
by MG 2.0
Mon May 13, 2024 8:56 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.
Replies: 78
Views: 2016

Re: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.

drumdude wrote:
Mon May 13, 2024 8:40 pm

The immaterial soul, in order to operate the way people think free will works, has to be completely outside of everything. As if a computer user was playing The Sims, and we are a Sim.
Not sure what you mean by “outside of everything”.

Regards,
MG
by MG 2.0
Mon May 13, 2024 8:54 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.
Replies: 78
Views: 2016

Re: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.

drumdude wrote:
Mon May 13, 2024 8:40 pm
Free will requires something outside of reality, by definition.

If it’s just the sum total of the material universe, then it’s not free.
Next sentence, same thing. Makes no sense. To me. Can you explain why this sentence has meaning for you? Maybe some concrete examples?

Regards,
MG
by MG 2.0
Mon May 13, 2024 8:53 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.
Replies: 78
Views: 2016

Re: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.

Free will requires something outside of reality, by definition. This doesn’t make sense to me. I know it probably does to you because you produced this thought in your mind and decided to express it. But your thought/statement doesn’t do anything for me. Maybe if you expanded it a bit so that I mig...
by MG 2.0
Mon May 13, 2024 8:47 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.
Replies: 78
Views: 2016

Re: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.

In fact I do. Just as you had the free will to respond to my post. No it didn’t. As I’ve recently said, however, that does seem to happen. You’re taking an all or nothing approach it seems to me. I could be mistaken though because I can’t know for a fact what is going on inside your head. I wrote t...
by MG 2.0
Mon May 13, 2024 8:42 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"
Replies: 132
Views: 7847

Re: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"

Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon May 13, 2024 8:25 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon May 13, 2024 8:21 pm


We’ll, he does like circumlocution, no?

- Doc
I'm just worried that he's going to surpass me in wordiness... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Fat chance. 😉😁 I don’t have the vocabulary. I’d run out of words long before you!


Regards,
MG
by MG 2.0
Mon May 13, 2024 8:13 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"
Replies: 132
Views: 7847

Re: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"

In my experience, Hales is a frustrating interlocutor. I am sure he means well, and he is not a bad guy, but his tactics are pretty slippery. He straw mans his opponents, and his own arguments are recycled. His Joseph couldn’t have done this ergo God arguments are his usual go-to approach. My probl...
by MG 2.0
Mon May 13, 2024 8:08 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.
Replies: 78
Views: 2016

Re: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.

You don’t have the free will to have written this any other way. Your brain didn’t just travel the path of least resistance- it traveled the only path it could have. There was no point in time when you could have written this differently, because then you would have written it differently. If you d...
by MG 2.0
Mon May 13, 2024 8:06 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.
Replies: 78
Views: 2016

Re: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.

Some people are more malleable than others because they seem to be predisposed to letting their minds travel the path of least resistance. We’re all prone to that. But after all is said and done we are responsible for our own decisions even as we receive constant input and influences from the outsi...
by MG 2.0
Mon May 13, 2024 6:26 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.
Replies: 78
Views: 2016

Re: Seeing Things Differently -DanP the apologist excuse.

We’re both in the same room. But that seems to be about as far as it goes. Not at all. The idea is that we each enter the room with our own biases that influence our perceptions, but that these biases and perceptions can change as we're willing to empathize and interact with each other. Sometimes s...