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by _nevazhno
Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:20 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: A Question for Determinists
Replies: 30
Views: 2862

Re: A Question for Determinists

This is an interesting question. As to why a determinist should agonize over their decisions, if the decisions are in some sense already predetermined (given, as EAIllusion says, a prior causal chain), I think the answer lies in our humanity. Why do I get butterflies when I stand near the edge of a ...
by _nevazhno
Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:11 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Facsimile 3 Assessed and found fraudulent
Replies: 164
Views: 23444

Re: Facsimile 3 Assessed and found fraudulent

Ed has a great opportunity here. We have lots of Egyptian papyri that could be translated using his method. Forget the Joseph Smith Papyri for now. If it's a valid method -- and, per Ed, this kind of translation method was apparently well-known by the ancients -- then it should work for other ancie...
by _nevazhno
Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:20 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Facsimile 3 Assessed and found fraudulent
Replies: 164
Views: 23444

Re: Facsimile 3 Assessed and found fraudulent

Ed has a great opportunity here. We have lots of Egyptian papyri that could be translated using his method. Forget the Joseph Smith Papyri for now. If it's a valid method -- and, per Ed, this kind of translation method was apparently well-known by the ancients -- then it should work for other ancien...
by _nevazhno
Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:44 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Church vs. Religion
Replies: 89
Views: 4531

Re: Church vs. Religion

So what would be wrong with getting the ordinances from the Catholic Church then, despite its supposed apostasy? Hasn't its priesthood been handed down? LDS teach that Catholic baptism doesn't count. I'm not sure where you're coming from on this. If a member thinks the Church has apostatized (case ...
by _nevazhno
Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:14 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Church vs. Religion
Replies: 89
Views: 4531

Re: Church vs. Religion

I agree with you that the polygamist strain is a problem for independent LDS. What is required to avoid this is a rethinking of the theology, starting with the full incorporation of Mother in Heaven into the Godhead and the decanonization of much of D&C 132. The CoC has removed portions of its ...
by _nevazhno
Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:02 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Church vs. Religion
Replies: 89
Views: 4531

Re: Church vs. Religion

There is an interesting historical anecdote about an early post-Manifesto polygamist named Joseph Musser I once heard from a close friend who knows his Mormon history. Musser was encouraged to enter polygamy in that period of transition when polygamy was on the way out but new polygamous sealing we...
by _nevazhno
Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:41 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Church vs. Religion
Replies: 89
Views: 4531

Re: Church vs. Religion

The Mormon necessity of ordinances "in the LDS sense" comes from LDS teachings. If you come to think that the LDS church has lost its way, it would not follow that you'd think holders of an apostate priesthood actually yet have any authority to validly administer efficacious ordinances. D...
by _nevazhno
Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:30 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Church vs. Religion
Replies: 89
Views: 4531

Re: Church vs. Religion

The Mormon necessity of ordinances "in the LDS sense" comes from LDS teachings. If you come to think that the LDS church has lost its way, it would not follow that you'd think holders of an apostate priesthood actually yet have any authority to validly administer efficacious ordinances. D...
by _nevazhno
Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:43 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Church vs. Religion
Replies: 89
Views: 4531

Re: Church vs. Religion

1. The essence of Mormonism is the priesthood and its ordinances, without which no one can gain exaltation. Such a definition implies the need for some organization to authorize those who can perform such ordinances. In my view, this one constitutes the most important justification for the existenc...
by _nevazhno
Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:59 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Church vs. Religion
Replies: 89
Views: 4531

Re: Church vs. Religion

I think an interesting related question is, "Does Mormonism need a church?" And the answer to that depends on what you believe Mormonism to be, and why it exists. So, what are some, not necessarily mutually exclusive, definitions of Mormonism and the relation of those definitions to the ne...