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by _Meadowchik
Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:56 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Death of Tom Kimball
Replies: 100
Views: 23311

Re: Death of Tom Kimball

If the focus from early on is on guilt and punishment of the person committing the act rather than consent and respect of self and others, well, where does your suggestion fit into the LDS model? I don't think Mormonism creates pedophilia. But I absolutely believe it makes it harder for people to c...
by _Meadowchik
Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:23 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Death of Tom Kimball
Replies: 100
Views: 23311

Re: Death of Tom Kimball

We may not know why but we can know what to do. There are requirements for a level of human interaction and when the requirements aren't met, that level of intimacy is cut off. Casual friendships end. Professional relationships cease. People get divorced. People go to jail. And in the gray areas be...
by _Meadowchik
Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:20 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Death of Tom Kimball
Replies: 100
Views: 23311

Re: Death of Tom Kimball

There is no way for us to start at the point of Tom's own beginning and find those decisions, those abuses that made him. We can't because we don't know his starting point. He never understood his own starting point. He had no say in his mind's capacity nor the environment in which he found himself...
by _Meadowchik
Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:43 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Death of Tom Kimball
Replies: 100
Views: 23311

Re: Tom Kimball Online Funeral and Obituary

It's not only that evildoing is not easy to spot, but that it may be difficult to associate evildoing with someone you have known as an admirable person, even when presented with ample proof. Definitely. As my parents like to say, people are not a bag of one kind of nuts. They're mixed. Even if som...
by _Meadowchik
Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:23 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Death of Tom Kimball
Replies: 100
Views: 23311

Re: Tom Kimball Online Funeral and Obituary

I don't know of anyone who is excusing his abusive behaviour in any way, but some are genuinely mourning the Tom that they had come to like/love/admire. Such feelings are not always easy to turn off, and will take some time to work through. That is so difficult. I think that part of this is an sort...
by _Meadowchik
Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:16 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Death of Tom Kimball
Replies: 100
Views: 23311

Tom Kimball Online Funeral and Obituary

Obituary Thomas Smith Kimball (53) passed away on October 13, 2020 in Logan, Utah. Tom was born on March 24, 1967 in Salt Lake City, Utah, the son of Elden Clifford Kimball and Esther Anderson. He married Page Ogden on September 23, 1989. Many years later, they divorced. On April 28, 2018, he marri...
by _Meadowchik
Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:56 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Death of Tom Kimball
Replies: 100
Views: 23311

Re: Death of Tom Kimball

Honestly, I think some of this is resentment for not having Lindsay's audience. Rosebud continues to have these axes to grind. I am not eager to continue to give Rosebud more of my attention. Her way of dealing with her negative experience with John suggests to me that she is carrying too much bagg...
by _Meadowchik
Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:14 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Death of Tom Kimball
Replies: 100
Views: 23311

Re: Death of Tom Kimball

I've participated on that MD&D thread and find it somewhat interesting. I do think it necessary for a critical perspective to be more thoughtful and observant than to declare something like "the Church its teaching and culture creates pedophiles" although I agree I doubt anyone with sense would say...
by _Meadowchik
Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:24 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Death of Tom Kimball
Replies: 100
Views: 23311

Re: Death of Tom Kimball

I have said it many times, but I think it always bears repeating: LDS culture is not really a safe place for kids. This is not to say that many kids can't go through life in the LDS Church without being abused. Of course they can. The safeguards against abuse are inadequate, however, and worse--the...
by _Meadowchik
Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:12 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Death of Tom Kimball
Replies: 100
Views: 23311

Re: Death of Tom Kimball

My condolences to all who are mourning and especially to all who have been hurt. His adult children have posted publicly, acknowledging that he took his own life to avoid facing the harm he had done. This is tragic all around.