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by Spectator80
Mon May 30, 2022 1:17 am
Forum: Archives
Topic: Elder Andersen's false prophecy to the people of Puerto Rico
Replies: 55
Views: 13259

Re: Elder Andersen's false prophecy to the people of Puerto Rico

Shulem states that Jesus is dead and, therefore, is not coming back. I believe he's right. Many early Saints were certain Jesus would return in their lifetimes. They were miainformed just as today's faithful are misinformed. All the horrors and atrocities this earth has experienced since Jesuis' dea...
by Spectator80
Tue May 17, 2022 3:28 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: It All Comes Down to the Plates
Replies: 48
Views: 1715

Re: It All Comes Down to the Plates

It requires a suspension of disbelief; i.e., God and His Son appearing to a young boy. Little wonder that it took years for J.S. to provide
a coherent account of what actually happened.
by Spectator80
Mon May 16, 2022 9:04 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: It All Comes Down to the Plates
Replies: 48
Views: 1715

Re: It All Comes Down to the Plates

If J.S. had actually uncovered ancient plates, he wouldn't had to have two groups of witnesses. He could simply announce his discovery and invite the world to see the plates. The enlistment of two groups of friendly witnesses was simply designed to lend some measure of credibility to the non-availab...
by Spectator80
Sun May 15, 2022 1:33 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: It All Comes Down to the Plates
Replies: 48
Views: 1715

Re: It All Comes Down to the Plates

All of the witnesses had a reason--multiple reasons, in fact--to say what they said. Why didn't J.S. call on a third party to be a witness, or, better yet, one of his most strident critics? Wouldn't that have solidified his credibility? Also, as I recall, Martin Harris hedged when he said he saw the...
by Spectator80
Sat May 14, 2022 7:39 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: It All Comes Down to the Plates
Replies: 48
Views: 1715

It All Comes Down to the Plates

Joseph Smith's account cannot be confirmed because there is no source document for thr Book of Mormon; i.e., there are no plates. If God had really wanted J.S. to restore the gospel of Jesus Christ in its fulness, He would have provided the plates for the world to see. Absent the plates, all we have...
by Spectator80
Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:36 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Church Feels Members Can't Handle Some Info.
Replies: 17
Views: 927

Re: Church Feels Members Can't Handle Some Info.

Dr, Exiled seems to suggest that members don't have a need to know about the use of Church funds, including investments. Perhaps
I misinterpreted his comment.
by Spectator80
Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:29 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Oaks makes sure the women know the men are still in charge…
Replies: 3
Views: 391

Re: Oaks makes sure the women know the men are still in charge…

I'm not sure that even Apostle Oaks understands the extent to which he came across as stromg-handed. Indeed, I think he may have simply been relying on well-established "conducting language" with no ulterior motive, Even granting that, however, there is a pressing need for greater sensitivity. Every...
by Spectator80
Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:16 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Church Feels Members Can't Handle Some Info.
Replies: 17
Views: 927

Re: Church Feels Members Can't Handle Some Info.

There is, I'm afraid, truth in what Be Not Deceived has written. It hurts to admit that as a life-long member. . . really hurts.
by Spectator80
Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:27 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Church Feels Members Can't Handle Some Info.
Replies: 17
Views: 927

Church Feels Members Can't Handle Some Info.

The existence of organizations like Mormon Leaks (now defunct) is compelling evidence that the LDS Church doesn't trust members with certain information. On April 6 (interesting date), The Salt Lake Tribune published data showing the Church is one of the largest private landowners in the U.S., with ...