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by Nimrod
Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:08 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Oaks' Agenda?
Replies: 6
Views: 861

Oaks' Agenda?

With Nelson's advanced age, at any time he could die and Oaks ascend to the Mormon throne. His days as a lady in waiting will be over. So, what do you suppose will be on his agenda of changes?
by Nimrod
Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:05 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: "Be Sure to Drink Your Ovaltine"
Replies: 6
Views: 844

Re: "Be Sure to Drink Your Ovaltine"

I'd read anti-lit and Nibley to some extent, I had enough hints as to what went on that it didn't bother me that much. But I wasn't drawn to it either. I suppose you could say the few temple experiences I had were ultimately neutral. Far more negative was the prospect of wearing G's the rest of my ...
by Nimrod
Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:58 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: "Be Sure to Drink Your Ovaltine"
Replies: 6
Views: 844

Re: "Be Sure to Drink Your Ovaltine"

I was a big fan of Nibley before I went, so I expected to be wowed, since he had made such a big deal about the connections between the endowment and ancient rites and religions. I was baffled by the whole thing, but I assumed that with more study it would become clearer. I continued to read Nibley...
by Nimrod
Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:26 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Another false dilemma from DCP: Prophet or Fraud
Replies: 29
Views: 2581

Re: Another false dilemma from DCP: Prophet or Fraud

Smith believed he was above the law. He was murdered for both his beliefs and his actions. Cleverly put. In some sense, his acting as if he was above the law stemmed from his claims to authority as the prophet of a new dispensation. Of course we have no way of knowing whether he actually believed t...
by Nimrod
Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:12 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Another false dilemma from DCP: Prophet or Fraud
Replies: 29
Views: 2581

Re: Another false dilemma from DCP: Prophet or Fraud

Many years ago, a friend who knew something about the story of the early Restoration but didn’t believe in it asked me why the plates were necessary if, as some sources seem to suggest, they weren’t required to be right at hand while Joseph Smith was dictating. I responded then, and I still believe...
by Nimrod
Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:21 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: "Be Sure to Drink Your Ovaltine"
Replies: 6
Views: 844

"Be Sure to Drink Your Ovaltine"

For those who have not seen or do not recall this line and the scene in which it was couched in the 1983 movie A Christmas Story, protagonist Ralphie decoded a message of importance using his decoder ring shortly after getting a letter that he was now a member of the Little Orphan Annie secret socie...
by Nimrod
Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:06 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Another false dilemma from DCP: Prophet or Fraud
Replies: 29
Views: 2581

Re: Another false dilemma from DCP: Prophet or Fraud

The most probable scenario, in my humble opinion, is that Joseph Smith deceived himself into believing he was actually doing what he claimed he was doing. You see this all the time when people lie, cheat, and steal. It’s human nature to be able to convince oneself that they’re not actually doing an...
by Nimrod
Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:28 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: DCP goes all-in on pseudo scientific quackery
Replies: 60
Views: 6405

Re: DCP goes all-in on pseudo scientific quackery

This seems to mean, “I have a weak confidence that I could have a strong confidence.” If the things are demonstrably real, then one could see their reality demonstrated, and then one would no longer be merely inclined to believe in it. After a demonstration one should be quite sure. The oddly uncer...
by Nimrod
Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:48 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Vogel video on magic parchments and Jupiter talisman
Replies: 171
Views: 386949

Re: Vogel video on magic parchments and Jupiter talisman

It's important to come to terms how the Smith family seriously dabbled in *magic arts* for the sole purpose of obtaining earthly treasure. Calling upon the protection and guidance of angels who were illustrated on the parchments is a sure sign of their faith in what they considered were valid ritua...
by Nimrod
Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:49 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: F. Michael Watson Personally clarifies Hill Cumorah Letter
Replies: 95
Views: 72001

Re: F. Michael Watson Personally clarifies Hill Cumorah Letter

DanielPeterson → Sledge • 3 hours ago Sledge: "Looks like "they" are complaining about the "second Watson letter" again— heads up." Dan: Sigh. This is a Really Big Deal for them. I can scarcely recall what the issue is. It doesn't loom large in my personal history, whatever it is. I do know that th...