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If MG2.0’s ridiculously inept attempt at making the case for the plates existing represents the best evidence available, I’m astonished anyone really takes belief in them seriously. The Church itself now prefers to talk about a magic rock, as if that is more credible.

Physics Guy wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:38 am

I think that maybe the only universal ground rule we really need for epistemology is the used car test. Would I be impressed by this evidence, in this context, if a used car were at stake?

Exactly.

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:20 am

If the plates were available and were used/proven as evidence for the Book of Mormon being the work of God we would no longer have the kind of faith that matters.

So you’re saying Joseph and the witnesses lacked the kind of faith that matters?

On the other hand MG points out Emma believes the story. she rustled the plates under the cloth and her husband was uneducated so could not do the dictating from his own brain. Emma is not an impartial party. She has a vested interest in promoting her husbands religious enterprise and wouldn’t unde...

The new film seems intent on covering the period when Joseph was in hiding... Emma Smith visits the Prophet Joseph while he’s in hiding. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2023/09/why-were-doing-it.html Will the film mention some of Joseph's other visitors, and the awkwardness of managing tho...

There is more evidence that they were than they weren’t. What evidence exists that demonstrates they were real? Do away with the plates and…BINGO…you’re left with the story of a rock in a hat. You seem to be saying that, in isolation, the idea of the rock in the hat translation doesn't stand up unl...

Investigative documents recently obtained by KSL.com show Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad may have misled donors about missions to “rescue” trafficked children. https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/09/tim-ballard-explains-couples-ruse-tactic-in-response-to-sexual-misconduct-allegations/ It...

I have questions, I have no idea what I should or could look for next April. Perhaps you could clarify what you are thinking about here a bit and how it might matter. I am not familiar with service missionaries. When did that start and why? Im thinking the Church will try to mask diminished mission...

Rosebud wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:59 pm

Still.... you owe me a lot of money. You harmed me so you could scam donors into giving money to you. Therefore you owe me.

So you want to share in the proceeds gained from scamming donors?

Ha! You are trying to paint President Nelson in a bad light by tying him to this racist writing. These are just things written by a man before further light and knowledge entered the world. I’m simply taking Nelson to mean what he says - “I testify that the Book of Mormon is truly the word of God”