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zzyzx wrote:"in the LDS church the possibility of a charismatic leader is largely precluded"

In spite of his being a liar, cheat and thief... LDSinc does miss Paul Dunn.

Yeah, I probably should have qualified that a bit :)...

I like debate, but as far as where I worship, I'd rather have less debate and more ecclesiastical unity. I've seen enough of the "debates" in Protestant settings, and their effects on how people interact, to know that I prefer Mormon collectivism in the spiritual setting. I have enough de...

[/quote] I tend to think that controlling the debate more or less results in controlling thought, hence why I'm not seeing much of a difference in the two sentiments.[/quote] I like debate, but as far as where I worship, I'd rather have less debate and more ecclesiastical unity. I've seen enough of ...

I really think the brethren would like view people like bcspace and droopy as gospel hobbyists who create unnecessary divisions in the church. But, of course, I'm just an evil apostate. I think they're probably okay with that sort of thing as long it's kept outside the chapel and constitutes a resp...

Moreover, the Church itself is not aligned with any particular political ideology or movement. It defies category. Its moral values may be expressed in a number of parties and ideologies . I hadn't seen this. This is great. So with respect to political ideologies, the church is a "big tent&quo...

Droopy, I thank you for this relatively moderate statement. The "vast majority" is a far cry from "any and all" serious Latter-day Saints. I agree that the majority of Latter-day Saints are pro-life and that church discourse tends to encourage that position. I am just not convin...

I'd wager on Mitt Romney. The vast majority of serious LDS would follow the united position of the Brethren. Droopy, I thank you for this relatively moderate statement. The "vast majority" is a far cry from "any and all" serious Latter-day Saints. I agree that the majority of La...

[/quote]The question really is, what do you believe here, an anecdote involving Mitt Romney, or the united voice of the Brethren as a body?[/quote] I believe the church handbook of instructions which says that the church takes no position on abortion legislation. There is a range of methods for enac...

Of general interest to this discussion, off the air Mitt Romney defends his prior pro-choice position by claiming that he "knows leaders of my church" and "many leaders of my church are pro-choice": m Is Mitt Romney mischaracterizing the church? (He may, but it's interesting tha...

Of general interest to this discussion, off the air Mitt Romney defends his prior pro-choice position by claiming that he "knows leaders of my church" and "many leaders of my church are pro-choice": m Is Mitt Romney mischaracterizing the church? (He may, but it's interesting that...