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by _Tim the Enchanter
Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:17 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: What are the options available to those who become disillusi
Replies: 289
Views: 17808

Re: What are the options available to those who become disil

Finally! You finally hinted at answering the question I've been asking. Maybe I wasn't asking it in the right way. Let's try again. Despite your belief that there is no objective reality, in the game of life are there some things, but not others, that we should take seriously (i.e. treat as if they...
by _Tim the Enchanter
Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:54 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: What are the options available to those who become disillusi
Replies: 289
Views: 17808

Re: What are the options available to those who become disil

Donald Hoffman dealt with this by saying that just because something does not have a physical existence does not mean, in the game of life, that we should not take it seriously. Finally! You finally hinted at answering the question I've been asking. Maybe I wasn't asking it in the right way. Let's ...
by _Tim the Enchanter
Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:44 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Kate Kelly, now what?
Replies: 24
Views: 2877

Re: Kate Kelly, now what?

As I have listened to her and her hubby in podcasts I wonder why they even want to be Mormons. I have a friend who I've known for several years who is devoutly Mormon and an ardent and open supporter of Ordain Women. For my friend, despite knowing she holds strongly to an unorthodox position in the...
by _Tim the Enchanter
Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:17 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: "The CJCLDS is the one true church on the face of the earth"
Replies: 15
Views: 1405

Re: "The CJCLDS is the one true church on the face of the ea

The belief that the church is the "one true church" is a folk doctrine and misunderstanding by members that will someday be rectified. I can picture the disillusioned old folks now... Back in my day, we believed the words of canonized scripture. We knew we were the one true church. We kne...
by _Tim the Enchanter
Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:58 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: What are the options available to those who become disillusi
Replies: 289
Views: 17808

Re: What are the options available to those who become disil

tld, I've asked you more this more than once in this thread, but you've not yet answered this question...

Despite believing there is no such thing as objective validity, do you nonetheless believe that some things but not others should be treated as if they are objectively valid?
by _Tim the Enchanter
Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:54 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: What are the options available to those who become disillusi
Replies: 289
Views: 17808

Re: What are the options available to those who become disil

tld, if your consciousness falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does the universe exist?
by _Tim the Enchanter
Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:18 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: What are the options available to those who become disillusi
Replies: 289
Views: 17808

Re: What are the options available to those who become disil

But it has long been recognized that we cannot experience things-as-they-are -- meaning an objective reality, which we all think that we are experiencing. As far as it known, each of us is having our own unique subjective experience that is for us our reality, in this instance a physical material w...
by _Tim the Enchanter
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:14 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: "The CJCLDS is the one true church on the face of the earth"
Replies: 15
Views: 1405

Re: "The CJCLDS is the one true church on the face of the ea

kairos wrote:now I suggest many members would rather the claim go away.


I suggest that this claim is an indispensable part of their beliefs about the church for the overwhelming majority of pew-filling, calling-magnifying, tithe-paying members of the church.
by _Tim the Enchanter
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:07 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: What are the options available to those who become disillusi
Replies: 289
Views: 17808

Re: What are the options available to those who become disil

Validity is a separate question from subjectivity or objectivity. I thought we were discussing how to determine what is valid (i.e. true). Are you saying that nothing is objectively true? Is it a subjective truth that the earth revolves around the sun? Exactly. Thank you for clarifying. Despite you...
by _Tim the Enchanter
Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:05 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: What are the options available to those who become disillusi
Replies: 289
Views: 17808

Re: What are the options available to those who become disil

Why is everybody spending so much time speculating on the LDS Church's alleged desire to "be accepted as an evangelical denomination"? I see no reason to believe the LDS Church has any such desire. It may be moving in that direction, possibly because the closer it gets to it the more peop...