Search found 1515 matches

by _fetchface
Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:52 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!
Replies: 303
Views: 18910

Re: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!

Well do you agree that the church has hurt people? This is part of the feedback in the information loop. If you favor less harm, hopefully you favor the airing of the information. Yes on both counts. But that is my system of morality, based on my prioritization of moral principles. And there are ce...
by _fetchface
Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:35 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!
Replies: 303
Views: 18910

Re: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!

I haven't been dismissive of it, neither is the OP, because it is contemplating and elaborating on why it is wrong. As have I been arguing specifically why it is wrong. There is value in calling it immoral if it is, providing an argument on why is even better because then it makes space like I have...
by _fetchface
Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:51 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!
Replies: 303
Views: 18910

Re: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!

The religion as a system places revelation at the foundation of its epistemology. I seem to remember a blurb on the church website that stated explicitly that spiritual confirmation is more sure than information we gather with our 5 senses. I can't seem to find it at the moment but I'll keep lookin...
by _fetchface
Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:31 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!
Replies: 303
Views: 18910

Re: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!

Likewise I think Packers CES speech was an example of immoral reasoning. I even think that Nelson's focus on Mormon when there are much more pressing needs for correction is another example of immoral reasoning. Oaks insistence on not apologizing is an example of profound failure of his moral reaso...
by _fetchface
Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:20 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!
Replies: 303
Views: 18910

Re: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!

I still think that leaders have an obligation to do the right thing more quickly than ordinary members, because if there are cats that finally get let out of the bag five years from now instead of this year, then in five years there may be hundreds of thousands of people who are angry at having was...
by _fetchface
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:16 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!
Replies: 303
Views: 18910

Re: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!

I guess I may have neglected to state earlier that my point of view on this subject assumes that the leaders are true believers. If not, then they are obviously very unethical people on a great many counts. I believe that Joseph Smith falls into this latter category with his only excuse for his beha...
by _fetchface
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:05 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!
Replies: 303
Views: 18910

Re: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!

As I said, I was setting up a hypothetical and wasn't done. So I wanted to get both our heads into a similar situation, hopefully to find some common ground. Once upon a time I had a vegan teenager. She was vegan for moral reasons, so essentially she believed in abstaining from eating animal produc...
by _fetchface
Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:02 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!
Replies: 303
Views: 18910

Re: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!

Maybe we should not expect the rank and file Flat Earthers to be pulling out the Earth photo at the start of every conversation. But what if Flat Earthers look for guidance to the leaders of the Flat Earth Society, and these leaders have known about the space photos for years? What if they know the...
by _fetchface
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:58 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!
Replies: 303
Views: 18910

Re: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!

I wasn't done, just setting up a hypothetical. It wasn't a trick question and I'm interested in your answer to both questions. I believe that if you are honestly mistaken and accidentally cause even great harm, that you have done nothing immoral. You have made a mistake. I believe that if you inten...
by _fetchface
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:17 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!
Replies: 303
Views: 18910

Re: John Dehlin on the Immorality of Mormonism!

What is puzzling about it? Have you ever had a moment in your life when you are just going along doing a thing, and someone alerts you to danger and gosh darnit you realize you're in the process of doing something dangerous and harmful? Your puzzlement puzzles me ;) So....being mistaken is immoral?...