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by Kishkumen
Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:03 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords
Replies: 130
Views: 3307

Re: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords

I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:44 pm
Not done by, but submitted by.
Ah, yes, of course. Good catch.
by Kishkumen
Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:27 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords
Replies: 130
Views: 3307

Re: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords

I’m unaware of anyone demanding anything of the Church, nor any stated intervention actions. Some good suggestions have been made as part of the discussion, but I’d be amazed if the Church paid any attention to them. If you don’t want to bother discussing perceived harm caused by the Mormon church ...
by Kishkumen
Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:13 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords
Replies: 130
Views: 3307

Re: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords

I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:04 pm
Now you’re not being consistent…
OK, probably in some ways, yes. What is your perception of my inconsistency?
by Kishkumen
Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:10 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords
Replies: 130
Views: 3307

Re: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords

Okay. You don’t think “we” should be bothering to discuss the thoughts and feelings of people who feel harmed by having their ancestors' names harvested for Mormon rituals. So don’t bother discussing it then. Nobody is forcing you to discuss it. To the contrary, I am all about bothering with discus...
by Kishkumen
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:48 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords
Replies: 130
Views: 3307

Re: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords

Nope. Not having that. You’re suggesting that, if I take a view that the feelings of relatives who object to their loved ones names being used without permission in Mormon rituals should be respected, then I must also take the view that people who are offended by paying taxes should receive equal e...
by Kishkumen
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:46 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords
Replies: 130
Views: 3307

Re: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords

You've done it again. It’s not about what you feel is a more substantive harm. Indeed, it is a recommendation that we have a discussion about what constitutes the level of harm we should actually be concerned about. My entry in that discussion is that the LDS temple ritual does not rise to the leve...
by Kishkumen
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:37 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords
Replies: 130
Views: 3307

Re: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords

You’re fine with it. You don’t feel injured by it. Okay. That’s great. No need to discuss your feelings about it any further. Let’s get back to talking about those people who do feel harmed by it. Should the church ignore the thoughts and feelings of those people (not you) and press on with harvest...
by Kishkumen
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:32 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords
Replies: 130
Views: 3307

Re: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords

I’m unsure as to how you’ve reached that very broad conclusion about what I think outside of my views on the topic at hand. That is, a person’s ancestors' details being harvested so that Mormons can do Mormon things without consideration for how those living relatives might feel about it. I think p...
by Kishkumen
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:28 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords
Replies: 130
Views: 3307

Re: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords

Mormons are practicing their religion on others when they get baptised as a proxy for someone who hasn’t requested it. If the Church wants to advertise the service, that’s fine. Let people sign their ancestors up voluntarily before the fact, rather than it being involuntary and after the fact. Prov...
by Kishkumen
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:10 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords
Replies: 130
Views: 3307

Re: Eternal marriage & temple endowment handshakes, tokens, signs & passwords

I haven’t put forward an idea of what harm is or is not. I’ve simply pointed out where people say they’ve been harmed. It’s not about me defining harm, it’s not about you defining harm. It’s about acknowledging that people are saying they are harmed by Mormons doing vicarious rituals where their an...