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Your words stand on their own merit. Which apostle was involved with the Memorial Estates Security Corporation again? God, there so many scandals where LDS funds are being misused that I’m having a hard time sorting them all. Anyway, circling back, the 2nd Anointing is a huge grift for apostles and...

Are you seriously suggesting that church leaders haven’t profited directly from the church and off the backs of its membership? Over thirty years of documenting lds leadership malfeasances, nepotism, quid pro quo contracts, financial abuses, and you have the balls to sit there and go to bat for the...

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:41 pm

Which apostle was it again that got bailed out by the church due to his own crappy business practices? Something about cars and music halls and whatnot?

Oooooooo! What a gotcha!!! So one of the apostles is the exception that proves the rule, eh?

Awesome stuff, Philo!!!

I’ll try repeating my question - what would you see as not “relatively decent” 1800’s behaviour? It is really dumb to continue asking an open-ended question like this when I have tried numerous times to tell you I am not playing that game. Relatively decent always depends on a certain set of circum...

There’s something smarmy about selling the product to the members without telling them you got the best part for free. And you dribble out that best part to friends and family of those around you. While you earn your living off the members who mostly don’t know this best part exists and if they do ...

Young supported slavery and its expansion into Utah and led the efforts to legalize and regulate slavery in the 1852 Act in Relation to Service, based on his beliefs on slavery.[94][95] Young said in an 1852 speech, "In as much as we believe in the Bible ... we must believe in slavery. This colored...

Excellent point. If we were given the same power that Brigham enjoyed, could we guarantee we would not abuse it? Who wouldn't put all the Church's money in our own bank account? If we had our own assassins, would we want them to be continuously idle? If we learned of the castration deeds of bishop ...

drumdude wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:49 pm

Again not the point I was making, but that’s okay

I addressed the point you were making. Sure, I said other stuff, but the fact that their positions were quite different does make a difference in how we assess each person.

Moksha wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:06 am

Do you mean like humble regrets over his Musket talk?

Maybe! I have no idea.