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by drumdude
Wed May 12, 2021 4:45 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
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Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

I think it's biased to call something "inappropriate" when it's in regards to a man, yet it's absolutely "sexual harassment" when it applies to a woman. Let's at least treat the sexes equally if we're going to broaden the definition of sexual harassment to encompass anything that is harmful as a res...
by drumdude
Wed May 12, 2021 2:25 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314835

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

Lem wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 11:23 pm
When I asked about this before, you brought up Rosebud's post about John Dehlin's erectile dysfunction, which I agree is inappropriate.
I'm sorry but this is more than inappropriate, this is sexual harassment. It's got the same feel and purpose as revenge porn.
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 6:11 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314835

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

Honest question, at what point does what Rosebud is doing to Dehlin become harassment? Does she have carte-blance to continue this for the rest of their lives? Wait a few years, release a few more texts. Few more years, few more texts. It kind of has revenge porn vibes with how explicit the texts are.
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 5:28 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314835

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

This continued emphasis on how the victim behaved, what she thinks, how she responded, followed by multiple psychological interpretations is really getting uncomfortable. Kish, I believe, recently pointed out that such psychological evaluations of Peterson are inappropriate, I believe that assessme...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 5:14 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314835

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

There is arguably a case of sexual harassment here, which the Open Stories Foundation board and John Dehlin handled very, very badly, possibly even illegally. Sadly, it seems there is not much that can be done now, other than to release information. That's been done. Do you believe the relationship...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:57 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314835

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

Also, JP when you inevitably make this into a motion picture can I please be an extra? I don't even want any lines. Nah. Very soon I will go back to forgetting this place exists and happily live my life not caring about anything tangentially related to Mormonism. What do you think has been accompli...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:45 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314835

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

Basically, to not have been sexual harassment: John needed to be fired, permanently. Anne needed to keep her current position and pay, permanently. Anne needed to keep access to the Facebook groups she was moderating, permanently. The board could never fire Anne or change any of her work assignments...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:42 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314835

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

Did they or did they not offer to rehire A? They offered to let her re-apply. As you know, that is not the same as offering to re-hire. She decided not to even re-apply, because they told her she would not have access to the Facebook groups she had been moderating. Is your employer killing the proj...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:28 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314835

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

The proper response to John and A's relationship was to fire them both. LOL you should have stopped there. How much sense does it make to fire someone and then immediately rehire them?? 1099 or otherwise? Again, I'll ask the question: what actual organizational ramifications did John face for his a...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:23 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314835

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

The proper response to John and Anne's relationship was to fire them both. Which the board did. Then they offered John and Anne new positions to rehire them. John accepted, Anne rejected. So what it boils down to is the anger that John was treated more favorably by the board, which they themselves a...