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by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 5:28 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314547

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

This continued emphasis on how the victim behaved, what she thinks, how she responded, followed by multiple psychological interpretations is really getting uncomfortable. Kish, I believe, recently pointed out that such psychological evaluations of Peterson are inappropriate, I believe that assessme...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 5:14 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314547

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

There is arguably a case of sexual harassment here, which the Open Stories Foundation board and John Dehlin handled very, very badly, possibly even illegally. Sadly, it seems there is not much that can be done now, other than to release information. That's been done. Do you believe the relationship...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:57 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314547

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

Also, JP when you inevitably make this into a motion picture can I please be an extra? I don't even want any lines. Nah. Very soon I will go back to forgetting this place exists and happily live my life not caring about anything tangentially related to Mormonism. What do you think has been accompli...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:45 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314547

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

Basically, to not have been sexual harassment: John needed to be fired, permanently. Anne needed to keep her current position and pay, permanently. Anne needed to keep access to the Facebook groups she was moderating, permanently. The board could never fire Anne or change any of her work assignments...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:42 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314547

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

Did they or did they not offer to rehire A? They offered to let her re-apply. As you know, that is not the same as offering to re-hire. She decided not to even re-apply, because they told her she would not have access to the Facebook groups she had been moderating. Is your employer killing the proj...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:28 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314547

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

The proper response to John and A's relationship was to fire them both. LOL you should have stopped there. How much sense does it make to fire someone and then immediately rehire them?? 1099 or otherwise? Again, I'll ask the question: what actual organizational ramifications did John face for his a...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:23 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314547

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

The proper response to John and Anne's relationship was to fire them both. Which the board did. Then they offered John and Anne new positions to rehire them. John accepted, Anne rejected. So what it boils down to is the anger that John was treated more favorably by the board, which they themselves a...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:12 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314547

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

The context there is that it's quid-pro-quo. John tells Anne she must have sex to keep her job, and Anne either accepts or rejects that. John telling Anne they're breaking up isn't quid-pro-quo. There's no behavior to accept or reject. Quid pro quo is one of several sexual harassment dynamics. It's...
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:08 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314547

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

jpatterson wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 4:06 pm
You and I both know that paragraph in the policy was written for one reason and one reason only.
Good Lord I think we can all finally agree on something.
by drumdude
Tue May 11, 2021 4:06 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations
Replies: 2347
Views: 314547

Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

I suggested the employment decision was terminating her employment. The context there is that it's quid-pro-quo. John tells Anne she must have sex to keep her job, and Anne either accepts or rejects that. John telling Anne they're breaking up isn't quid-pro-quo. There's no behavior to accept or rej...