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Above all, I believe that the principal goal ought to be making people better thinkers, not strategizing to win at all costs. I was not impressed with Richard Carrier’s arguments because they lacked sensitivity to narrative and genre. It was as though he treated the gospels like 20th century histor...

I don't want to continue with Carrier. I didn't want to discuss him. This thread wasn't about him at all. It's about something else. How I let it get down that rabbit hole is not important and not what I've been trying to talk about here. But, I do appreciate the comments in the past few responses. ...

Above all, I believe that the principal goal ought to be making people better thinkers, not strategizing to win at all costs. I was not impressed with Richard Carrier’s arguments because they lacked sensitivity to narrative and genre. It was as though he treated the gospels like 20th century histor...

He appears to have lived, but that is not the important question. The important question is whether he was resurrected or not. Perhaps that's the point of the entire exercise, to avoid the important question altogether. If one gives an unreasonable answer to the former question, the latter question...

What puzzles me here is why it should matter whether a Jesus son of Mary and Joseph lived or not, Similar here. Why should it matter if Moses, Adam, King Arthur, or another character really lived or were based on someone who did? It’s a question for history, at the very least, and that may matter i...

I haven't seen where. I've read the scholarship and have read the pop books like Erhman's. I've critiqued his book here to some degree of depth. I've interacted with some of the most ardent historicists. I'm not sure what you think you're proving by saying these things. All of that said, I'm still ...

Yep. Not only that, but Mormons believe in a God that works inside the physical limits of the universe. 3 days of brain death is a lot of entropy . Mathematically impossible to recover, even with advanced alien Mormon God technology. At that point you’re back to the traditional magic God that can d...

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Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:25 pm

Conspiracy theories? How can you get anymore conspirial than a reanimated dead person?

Yep.

It's been shown to you over and over again. You just say "nuh uh" and move on. I haven't seen where. I've read the scholarship and have read the pop books like Erhman's. I've critiqued his book here to some degree of depth. I've interacted with some of the most ardent historicists. I'm not sure wha...

A related tangent: DCP has been making the argument (well just copying it from someone else like always) that if we take anything from ancient history seriously, we should also take the empty tomb story seriously. He thinks that there’s enough wiggle room to get his lever into the gap made by the s...