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by dastardly stem
Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:53 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history
Replies: 222
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Re: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history

PseudoPaul wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:36 pm
The way you're framing this shows a complete lack of understanding of how scholarship works and your interest in your polemical goals as a propagandist.
Alright, thanks for the posturing. if you have a case for historicity, I'm all ears.
by dastardly stem
Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:28 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history
Replies: 222
Views: 11978

Re: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history

Bart Ehrman has never done, or referenced, any peer reviewed work on the subject? The last evaluation of jesus' historicity found in the literature that results in a likely scenario of Jesus living was published in 1923 written by Shirley Jackson-- The Historicity of Jesus: A Criticism of the Conte...
by dastardly stem
Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:47 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history
Replies: 222
Views: 11978

Re: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history

We have a little heap of some pale, gritty stuff. A few people have always claimed that the heap is pure salt. A few people have recently appeared to insist that it's all sand, with no salt at all. Most people, though, have been saying for a long time that the heap is a mixture of salt and sand. Th...
by dastardly stem
Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:34 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history
Replies: 222
Views: 11978

Re: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history

Raglan and Rank do not seem ever to have found even a single case where an initially mythic figure was later assigned specific historic details, fictitiously, in order to make them out, falsely, as having been a real person who really lived, not just somewhere indefinite at some indefinite time, bu...
by dastardly stem
Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:54 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history
Replies: 222
Views: 11978

Re: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history

. Stem, perhaps you could be more specific in what you are looking for as an argument. You dismiss basic presentation such as Ehrman's saying that is not what you are looking for. What are you looking for? I haven’t dismissed Ehrman. I’ve engaged his argument and published work and linked it here f...
by dastardly stem
Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:50 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history
Replies: 222
Views: 11978

Re: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history

It would help a lot to assess the methodology of the mythicists if we could see how well it worked on some other cases in which concrete but fictitious historical details were invented and attributed to superhuman figures of legend or religion. That’s the start of carrier’s case. What do you mean? ...
by dastardly stem
Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:37 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history
Replies: 222
Views: 11978

Re: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history

The quest for the historical Jesus is all about using what evidence we have and applying historical criteria to try to undercover the Jesus of history. Using that process could result in a "Jesus was just invented" conclusion, but for the vast majority of scholars, and for all major New Testament s...
by dastardly stem
Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:39 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history
Replies: 222
Views: 11978

Re: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history

I think I’ve pointed out it’s the opposite of this. Mythicists have worked to produce peer reviewed scholarship. Historicists have not. This tells me you haven't actually seriously investigated this topic Jesus: King of the Jews Paula Fredriksen Jesus of Nazareth: Millenarian Prophet Dale Allison T...
by dastardly stem
Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:46 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history
Replies: 222
Views: 11978

Re: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history

. My comment was addressed to the narrow issue of the evidentiary value of the parallels. Again, as good Bayesians, we have to ask what we whether we should expect the evidence we see to be different in the two cases: mythologized real person and mythologized non-existent person. In both cases, we ...
by dastardly stem
Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:33 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history
Replies: 222
Views: 11978

Re: The Jesus Myth: An unrelenting case for history

The epistles written by Paul that describe these interactions such as in Galatians show that a) the body of disciples existed independent of him and, Where in Paul do we read about “disciples”? He doesn’t use the word or concept. A common problem with these discussions includes assuming Paul intend...