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...we actually offered, not an apologia for the Book of Abraham, but a work of historical scholarship on the Kinderhook plates. ok. but i am struggling with reconciling 'a work of historical scholarship' with this: That the matching of characters like mine between the GAEL and the KPs and yours bet...

In order to better understand what the Kinderhook plates were in Smith’s mind, let’s first think about what they were not. They were not reformed hieroglyphic script copied from (imaginary) gold plates. Therefore, they were not script used by Book of Mormon scribes such as Mormon and Moroni. So, th...

Hey Paul, Sorry to have accidentally italicized half of my post. I've fixed the formatting. Shulem wrote: In spite of our differences in interpreting things and regardless of me being unconvinced/skeptical that the character in question within the GAEL is absolutely a character identified on the pla...

Every time there is evidence left behind to show Smith wasn’t “translating”, he is defined as translating as a man. The one time there is no evidence left behind, Mormons want to argue he was translating with a divine gift from god. :roll: Using Don’s concept of the simplest model that explains the...

Sure, Honorentheos. It doesn't seem like a big question for debate in itself, but it is something that is involved in a host of other debates.

Don

Hey all, I largely wrote this post about a month ago, just after the podcast I'm going to discuss, but due to distractions, including an unexpected trip out of state, I've only just gotten around to completing and posting it. (My apologies for that, Kerry! I would have preferred to engage in this di...

It has been a loooong time! So GOOD to see you again brother! Yes, lets get together and chat with Don. I am very interested in seeing your timeline on the Book of Abraham materials. I have just finished a 20 video podcast series on it on Mormon Discussion Inc with my Live sessions as the Backyard ...

Since so much of what is discussed on Discuss Mormonism is about history, I thought that a few thoughts I posted in the Celestial Kingdom in relation to the Kinderhook plates might have wider interest and relevance... A few thoughts on historical method... First, historical explanation is a process ...

Hey Paul, I appreciate your work written about on other threads regarding the Anubis snout--and, as I've expressed, I really think you should follow that line of research much further. And I love your forays on this thread to get at what the Kinderhook forgers were thinking and where they were getti...

Hey DastardlyStem, Cool! - I'm glad you were willing to read the book and got hold of it. I didn't suggest it either to contrast with traditional LDS views of God or to take up argument about it here, but simply because I thought it might be of interest and useful. I've done most of my reading in re...