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He concludes by complaining that Givens' take, along with Hauglid's, will undermine their attempts to muddy the picture enough to make it appear Joseph's revelation might have ancient connections? My god, they want to pretend the burden is on everyone else. I love it when they complain about a lack...

The Mopologists have always tried to define themselves by their commitment to doctrinal principles, the chief of those being the idea that the Book of Mormon is a real, authentic history. They've said over and over again that if that edifice falls, it will spell the absolute doom of the Church. So,...

Thank you for sharing those reminiscences, Don. It helps us appreciate Johnny even more. I wish I had known him better than I did, but I feel privileged to have been among his many acquaintances.

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Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:07 pm

The difference is also tax law. The Church can take sides on issues without risking its tax exempt status.

That’s really the crux of the matter. Good point.

It is interesting that the more informed and better intelligent scholars always freaks out the Mopologists......its why we need the Jenkins, RItners, and Daviss and Grindaels of reality. The odd thing to me is that Davis has not set out to attack Mormonism. The Mopologists seem to be attacking him ...

Bill Davis is one of the most important Mormon Studies scholars of our time. He is definitely perceived as a threat by such people as Brian Hales, and he has already entered the sights of Interpreter . I feel fortunate to have found his article on John Bunyan and the Book of Mormon a while ago. He d...

Should Church leaders have put their mouths where their morality is then? Their tradition is to speak out on legislation that bears on moral issues, not individual candidates. I don't think they would have viewed breaking this tradition as a good idea. Once they speak out about a particular candida...

they believe they are carrying out the will of their Authorities. The Authorities are concerned about the sanctity of Ensign Peak Investments. Most church leaders almost certainly did not vote for Trump. The Deseret News published an editorial that was pretty strongly anti-Trump. Do you think a pro...

Congratulations to consiglieri for another riveting RFM episode! It is fascinating to see how someone who was much closer to the inside view of CES came to conclusions that I intuited but could never have experienced in the same way.

I am so relieved. So happy. A dark night is drawing to a close and we see the first light of dawn.