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by Shulem
Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:26 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Valley of Lemuel in Arabia?
Replies: 34
Views: 2266

Maps

It's hard to imagine Joseph Smith mistaking the gulf or a bay in the Red Sea for a river on a Laurie & Whittle map. I don't buy it! Please refer to the EXPLANATION in the lower right corner of the North America map in which Smith would have relied on as would any map user. Several symbols and explan...
by Shulem
Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:28 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Valley of Lemuel in Arabia?
Replies: 34
Views: 2266

Maps

And so, Vogel does provide an interesting perspective of a map that Smith may or may have not perused. We cannot say. However, shall we look at a sister map of the one we have considered in this thread? It's by the same map maker, Laurie & Whittle, and was issued out of London during the same year, ...
by Shulem
Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:49 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Valley of Lemuel in Arabia?
Replies: 34
Views: 2266

Re: Valley of Lemuel in Arabia?

Moksha wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:31 pm
he was able to use the Delmarva Peninsula as a working model for the story.
Ah.

Delmarva is to New York like Arabia is to Israel -- proximity through mobility in a back and forth fluid-like zone. THAT is what Smith visualized!

I'm glad you get it, Moksha. Your eyes have been opened.
by Shulem
Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:28 pm
Forum: [Super Spirit Paradise]
Topic: Happy Birthday, Jersey Girl!!!!
Replies: 36
Views: 944

Re: Happy Birthday, Jersey Girl!!!!

Go girl!

:D
by Shulem
Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:23 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Valley of Lemuel in Arabia?
Replies: 34
Views: 2266

Re: Valley of Lemuel in Arabia?

Moksha wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:16 pm
LDS apologists could well argue that the so-called "River Laman" was hidden when a significant chunk of Middle Earth plunged into the sea at the end of the First Age.
I think the river Laman was a fantasy the same as the river in Lehi's dream of the Tree of Life. The Book of Mormon is total fantasy!
by Shulem
Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:29 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Valley of Lemuel in Arabia?
Replies: 34
Views: 2266

Maps

I said the maps were too early because they didn't even include the Gulf of Aqaba. The cartographers on ships passed the Straits of Tiran, and saw the Islands and didn't get closer, assuming it was a bay. So, how could Joseph Smith use a map that didn't have the fountain of the Red Sea? It's reason...
by Shulem
Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:34 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Valley of Lemuel in Arabia?
Replies: 34
Views: 2266

Re: Valley of Lemuel in Arabia?

I'll be interested to hear what you think about the ending. I'll be interested to hear what you think above the rest of Lehi's trek and especially concerning Bountiful and where Joseph Smith may have imagined it based on maps available to him. This thread takes a lot into consideration with regard ...
by Shulem
Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:53 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: Question for my Mormon Friends
Replies: 24
Views: 8484

Re: Question for my Mormon Friends

High Spy referenced this question on his Mega Thread. But it's a question that has no valid answer. It's like asking what kind of cheese the moon is made of. The question has no answer. It's a slam dunk against Mormonism and proves absolutely that Joseph Smith was making crap up. It's not necessary...
by Shulem
Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:22 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: Book of Mormon Geography
Replies: 546
Views: 187532

Re: Book of Mormon Geography

Excellent point. The leaders know they can't support historicity. The Mormon leaders are powerless to say where Book of Mormon lands are or where they are not. Their mouths remain shut and for good reason. Let them not speak a word! Silence is golden. :) I bear my testimony that I know the Book of ...
by Shulem
Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:12 pm
Forum: Celestial Forum
Topic: Question for my Mormon Friends
Replies: 24
Views: 8484

Re: Question for my Mormon Friends

High Spy, could you answer Shulem's King's name question with that seer-type skill? Well, I have High Spy on ignore. Not to derail the thread, but if an answer is provided concerning the King's name in Facsimile No. 3, do let me know. That could make for some really painful arm twisting. No power o...