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Young supported slavery and its expansion into Utah and led the efforts to legalize and regulate slavery in the 1852 Act in Relation to Service, based on his beliefs on slavery.[94][95] Young said in an 1852 speech, "In as much as we believe in the Bible ... we must believe in slavery. This colored...

Excellent point. If we were given the same power that Brigham enjoyed, could we guarantee we would not abuse it? Who wouldn't put all the Church's money in our own bank account? If we had our own assassins, would we want them to be continuously idle? If we learned of the castration deeds of bishop ...

drumdude wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:49 pm

Again not the point I was making, but that’s okay

I addressed the point you were making. Sure, I said other stuff, but the fact that their positions were quite different does make a difference in how we assess each person.

Moksha wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:06 am

Do you mean like humble regrets over his Musket talk?

Maybe! I have no idea.

Interesting news! I wish them luck in their new location!

In other non-news . . . .

I would file this under “statements of sincere humility.”

My point was the huge burden of leading so many people seems not to have caused Lincoln to order mass murders and marry dozens of women. Lincoln could have easily gone further than merely suspending habeas corpus if he had the inclination. Perhaps men are tested by their circumstances but not led b...

I’m not sure I could sit comfortably with using the words “relatively decent” as part of a description for a man who ordered the mass murder and forced enslavement of native Americans. But that’s just me. If you put it that way . . . . The thing about stark moral certainty is that it is so easy to ...

You were liberated only to a certain degree? So, you thought there was a chance you were wrong about his non-prophethood? You really amaze me. We think so differently that it makes communication difficult. Do you recognize a difference between intellectual conclusions and emotional resolution? Do y...

Which of his contemporaries in similar positions of power is he decent in comparison with? How does he stack up against, say, Abraham Lincoln? The stakes were even higher for Lincoln and even though he had to carry that “misfortune” it seems to have illuminated his noble character for the world to ...