Oh what a tangled web we weave

[Markk]

Ok. If you aren’t claiming that the meeting had anything to do with Burisma, I’ll take that as a concession that it isn’t evidence of any corruption by Joe Biden. Cool.

But your statement is still false. Devon Archer and Joe Biden had a private meeting means nobody else was in the room when it happened. At a minimum, your statement would have to be “Hunter Biden, Devon Archer, and Luke Archer… And as there is no evidence that there was a meeting, let alone a private meeting, that part is in no way “true.”

A lie by omission is still a lie. And that’s what your source did.

This has nothing to do with political ideology. That’s pure projection on your part. It has to do with how to do research with the purpose of finding the evidence and drawing reasonable inference from it. If Biden actually acted corruptly, as a Peter defined corruption, then impeach his ass. A guy who actually uses his political position to enrich himself or his kids shouldn’t be president. Same standard I applied to the last President.

But I did stumble upon a reporter who, unlike Peter, actually made an effort to investigate what the “meeting” actually was. I wasn’t right, but I was light years closer than you and Peter.



https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019 ... s-campaign

Peter looked at the White House log, fabricated a story about what it meant, and withheld relevant evidence that undermined his story. If a story that a political smear artist pulled out of his butt is the hill you want to die on, be my guest. But, according to the actual evidence we have, a truthful description of what happened would be something like:

Hunter Biden arranged to take his friend Devon Archer and Devon’s seven year old son to the White House because Devon was building a model of the White House for a school project. The visit included a photo op with Hunter’s Dad, who was Vice President at the time.

by the way, the article contains facts that explain some of things you find “odd.” You should give it a read.

??? I responded to this last night but it did not keep?

Anyways

Ok. If you aren’t claiming that the meeting had anything to do with Burisma, I’ll take that as a concession that it isn’t evidence of any corruption by Joe Biden. Cool.

What I am claiming is that they met, and there was a lot of other things that happened in regards to the Ukraine, Joe Biden, Burisma, and Archer, Hunter, and others. Including things like Joe establishing a sop/protocol for major funds to be distributed to the Ukraine for Natural Gas assistance, with Burisma being a leader in that industry. And Hunter and Archer being paid monies before Joe went on the trip, and then their being hired by Burisma directly after the trip. Then landing jobs with Burisma

I don’t know if Burisma was discussed or not at the meeting, I have told you that many times, and you don’t know that it wasn’t discussed…fair? But we know they met a a very critical time in all this.

Also, with all that happened in that short month, I am not naïve enough to believe Joe did not talk to his son about this. If I were Joe I would have said Son, their is no way you are taking that job, it is a conflict of Intrest, and is begging for trouble. And as you wrote Hunter and Archer are best friends, and I am equally not naïve enough to believe he was not in the loop between Joe and Hunter.

Do you believe Joe was the naïve one and did not know anything about what Hunter and Archer were up to?

[Markk]

??? I responded to this last night but it did not keep?

Anyways


What I am claiming is that they met, and there was a lot of other things that happened in regards to the Ukraine, Joe Biden, Burisma, and Archer, Hunter, and others. Including things like Joe establishing a sop/protocol for major funds to be distributed to the Ukraine for Natural Gas assistance, with Burisma being a leader in that industry. And Hunter and Archer being paid monies before Joe went on the trip, and then their being hired by Burisma directly after the trip. Then landing jobs with Burisma

I don’t know if Burisma was discussed or not at the meeting, I have told you that many times, and you don’t know that it wasn’t discussed…fair? But we know they met a a very critical time in all this.

Also, with all that happened in that short month, I am not naïve enough to believe Joe did not talk to his son about this. If I were Joe I would have said Son, their is no way you are taking that job, it is a conflict of Intrest, and is begging for trouble. And as you wrote Hunter and Archer are best friends, and I am equally not naïve enough to believe he was not in the loop between Joe and Hunter.

Do you believe Joe was the naïve one and did not know anything about what Hunter and Archer were up to?

Corrected a few typos, I am not yet used to this new system.

[Markk]

When I edit, why does it repost?

[Markk]

Never mind I know what I was doing wrong

[Marcus]

…Now focus if you don’t want to read the thread in any real context…

Sigh.

I asked you this which you did not respond to,
“

What do you think about the bigger picture here, can you elaborate a little on this. Do you believe that the standing Vice President of the United States, who was about to go to the Ukraine in order to figure out how US monies ( millions ) will be distributed to the Ukrainian Natural Gas industry, and at the same time the VP’s son and best friend receive deals that would pay them millions from one of the leading benefactors of the many millions we would give to that industry? “

Please opine to this…thanks

My opinion is that you work hard to get your insupportable conspiracy theories into the discussion by repeatedly ignoring legitimate arguments, completely disregarding facts and citing any type of coincidence you can without providing any realistic support for your interpretation.

…which may or may not be true…neither one of us know for sure, we do know the other things that happened around this meeting….

Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist. Asking others to “opine” about your theories is a useless technique. Provide your own support.

[Markk]

Res wrote…

Hunter, Archer, and Archer’s son Lukas, who is now twelve, told me that the visit was arranged by Hunter for Lukas, who was working on a model of the White House for a grade-school assignment. Afterward, Lukas posted a picture on Instagram of himself shaking the Vice-President’s hand. Hunter and Archer said that Burisma was never discussed.

Do you believe that if they did in fact discuss Burisma in the meeting, that hey would tell a write of a populat magazine that they discussed Burisma (possible collusion) with JB?

Also Archer is a convicted felon and Hunter Biden is not exactly an honest Abe. This kinda reminds of the ending of The Godfather when Kay asks Michael if he whacked Carlos. Thes guys worked for a Russian backed Ukrainian Oligarch that is now hiding becasue of corruption charges against him. If the Russia Ukraine thing does not go in favor of the Ukraine and the country is split, I would not be surprised if MZ is welcomed back by Putin.

What do you think about Hunter’s and Archers character?

[Res Ipsa]

Ok. If you aren’t claiming that the meeting had anything to do with Burisma, I’ll take that as a concession that it isn’t evidence of any corruption by Joe Biden. Cool.

But your statement is still false. Devon Archer and Joe Biden had a private meeting means nobody else was in the room when it happened. At a minimum, your statement would have to be “Hunter Biden, Devon Archer, and Luke Archer… And as there is no evidence that there was a meeting, let alone a private meeting, that part is in no way “true.”

A lie by omission is still a lie. And that’s what your source did.

This has nothing to do with political ideology. That’s pure projection on your part. It has to do with how to do research with the purpose of finding the evidence and drawing reasonable inference from it. If Biden actually acted corruptly, as a Peter defined corruption, then impeach his ass. A guy who actually uses his political position to enrich himself or his kids shouldn’t be president. Same standard I applied to the last President.

But I did stumble upon a reporter who, unlike Peter, actually made an effort to investigate what the “meeting” actually was. I wasn’t right, but I was light years closer than you and Peter.



https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019 ... s-campaign

Peter looked at the White House log, fabricated a story about what it meant, and withheld relevant evidence that undermined his story. If a story that a political smear artist pulled out of his butt is the hill you want to die on, be my guest. But, according to the actual evidence we have, a truthful description of what happened would be something like:

Hunter Biden arranged to take his friend Devon Archer and Devon’s seven year old son to the White House because Devon was building a model of the White House for a school project. The visit included a photo op with Hunter’s Dad, who was Vice President at the time.

by the way, the article contains facts that explain some of things you find “odd.” You should give it a read.

??? I responded to this last night but it did not keep?

Anyways

Ok. If you aren’t claiming that the meeting had anything to do with Burisma, I’ll take that as a concession that it isn’t evidence of any corruption by Joe Biden. Cool.

What I am claiming is that they met, and there was a lot of other things that happened in regards to the Ukraine, Joe Biden, Burisma, and Archer, Hunter, and others. Including things like Joe establishing a sop/protocol for major funds to be distributed to the Ukraine for Natural Gas assistance, with Burisma being a leader in that industry. And Hunter and Archer being paid monies before Joe went on the trip, and then their being hired by Burisma directly after the trip. Then landing jobs with Burisma

I don’t know if Burisma was discussed or not at the meeting, I have told you that many times, and you don’t know that it wasn’t discussed…fair? But we know they met a a very critical time in all this.

Also, with all that happened in that short month, I am not naïve enough to believe Joe did not talk to his son about this. If I were Joe I would have said Son, their is no way you are taking that job, it is a conflict of I trust and is begging for trouble. And as you wrote Hunter and Archer are best friends, and I am equally naïve enough to believe he was not in the loop between Joe and Hunter.

Do you believe Joe was the naïve one and did not know anything about what Hunter and Archer were up to?

Sorry about the disappearing post. I've had that happen in the past, and it's a pain. That's the primary reason I bust long posts up into small chunks.

I don't understand why you keep claiming there was a "meeting." There is zero evidence that there was a meeting -- just something Schweizer pulled out of his butt. If you can't point to any evidence that there was a meeting, as opposed to a visit to the White House for seven year old Luke's benefit, then it is completely disingenuous to keep insisting that there was.

You're doing exactly what the slime merchants in US politics do as a matter of routine: present made up stuff as true, then claim that the made of stuff creates a narrative that looks odd. And, rather than being curious about the actual facts, you cling to the slimy narrative even after being shown that the important parts are fictional.

You can't have it both ways. If the trip to the White House didn't involve a meeting that had something to do with Burisma, then it is not evidence that Joe Biden was corrupt. If you want to claim that the trip to the White House IS evidence that Joe Biden was corrupt, then you need to provide evidence that the trip to the White House had something to do with Burisma and not a visit for the benefit of young Luke. You need to pick a lane and drive in it -- at least you have to if what you're interested in is figuring out what happened.

If you don't pick a lane, congratulations! You've mastered the art of the political smear. The old "I'm just asking...." is exactly how political smears work.

So, before we move on to the rest of your chronology that you think looks "odd": yes or no. Are you claiming that the trip to the White House by Hunter, Devon and Master Luke is evidence that Joe Biden is corrupt?

[Res Ipsa]

you are showing all about yourself, nothing else.


Exactly my point. You don’t know what happened and even admit you don’t!

Your insistence that “it happened” when even you admit you have no evidence showing it, followed by a demand that others must disprove what you believe—simply because you believe it, with no evidence beyond coincidence, is illogical.

Coincidence can always be found after the fact, especially when you are driven by an insupportable belief. That’s not good thinking and it shows in your posts, regardless of what “tribe” you think you’re in or not in.

What do you mean I don’t know what happened? I know exactly what happened in that facts that are available…and what happened is they met and much more beyond that which I have spelled out some of that and want to get into more of it. What i don’t know is what was said at the meeting in question, and either does Res.

What do you think about the bigger picture here, can you elaborate a little on this. Do you believe that the standing Vice President of the United States, who was about to go to the Ukraine in order to figure out how US monies ( millions ) will be distributed to the Ukrainian Natural Gas industry, and at the same time the VP’s son and best friend receive deal that would pay them millions from one of th e leading benefactors of the many millions we would give to that industry?

The meeting happened, Res admits it…Archer along with his son signed in…you need to focus and read the thread.

But anyways, What do you think…do you just think Joe read it in the papers after this happened like the rest of us, or do you think he was informed ahead of time on this and talked to his son and Archer about this…?

Markk, are you even reading my posts? If so, then why are you completely misrepresenting what I've been saying throughout this thread? I do not agree that there was a meeting. There is no evidence that there was a meeting, as opposed to a visit to the White House for the benefit of young Luke.

[Res Ipsa]

I have been, and you even quoted Res Ipsa, but apparently not while understanding him…

I highlighted a couple key parts for you. Stop being facetious and arguing RI agrees with you, because he does not.

LOL..Marcus, Archer was signed into the White House as to met with Joe Biden, they met, and Res agreed to this, he just not believe they discuss burisma…which may or may not be true…neither one of us know for sure, we do know the other things that happened around this meeting which hopefully we can get to, but I am losing confidence it will happen anytime soon.

Now focus if you don’t want to read the thread in any real context, Res believe that this might have been discussed at the meeting …. “ Hunter, Archer, and Archer’s son Lukas, who is now twelve, told me that the visit was arranged by Hunter for Lukas, who was working on a model of the White House for a grade-school assignment. Afterward, Lukas posted a picture on Instagram of himself shaking the Vice-President’s hand. Hunter and Archer said that Burisma was never discussed.”

I asked you this which you did not respond to,

“

What do you think about the bigger picture here, can you elaborate a little on this. Do you believe that the standing Vice President of the United States, who was about to go to the Ukraine in order to figure out how US monies ( millions ) will be distributed to the Ukrainian Natural Gas industry, and at the same time the VP’s son and best friend receive deals that would pay them millions from one of the leading benefactors of the many millions we would give to that industry? “

Please opine to this…thanks

Markk, please stop playing word games by swapping around "had a meeting" and "met." Master Luke posted a photo on instagram of him shaking hands with Joe Biden, so the three clearly "met." That's entirely different than "had a meeting with," which what you have been claiming.

[canpakes]

Do you believe Joe was the naïve one and did not know anything about what Hunter and Archer were up to?

You jumped the gun.

What were Hunter and Archer ‘up to’ with regard to Burisma? Be specific.

What impropriety has Archer been accused of with regard to Burisma? There doesn’t appear to be anything that you can point to for Hunter, so tell me what Archer supposedly did that was illegal or corrupt regarding Burisma.

Watching you go on and on about this without getting anywhere is like watching this video -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyM-4iBn4w