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Physics Guy wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 8:36 pm
Wait, the problem with Mein Kampf is link-and-run? So it would be okay to post links to, say, child pornography, if we just explain what we hope other readers will learn from it?

Where the hell is the line? Do we even have one?
The relevant lines are in the rules. Posting links to child pornography would violate Form rule 1 in every forum. If you think I've overlooked a rule that would prohibit linking to the text of Mein Kampf, please let me know which rule you think applies.

The majority of the rules that govern the content of posts here fall within the concept of "reasonable time, place and manner restrictions." Temple content can be posted, but not in Celestial or Terrestial. Content not sufficient connected with Mormonism or religion cannot be posted in Celestial, Terrestial, or Telestial. There are very few absolute restrictions on the content of speech. Those we have deal mainly with attacks involving family members and protecting a members' anonymity.

You may recall a weeks long argument with a holocaust denier and proponent of Christian Identity. His posts on those topics were not deleted -- they were addressed publicly by other members here.
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Re: Moved: THISandThat

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So we are literally giving a platform to Adolf Hitler?
I was a teenager before it was cool.
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I think in the past we've followed the spirit of the law in terms of harsher enforcement when it comes to neo-nazi stuff, and so I think Physic Guy is absolutely right that this should go. My opinion as a forum member.

The enforcement will come by necessity anyway later if you don't do it now, as previous experience has shown.
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Re: Moved: THISandThat

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Who was crazy enough to click on one from among a wall of sketchy links?

Move the post to OD because spam. If it is legitimately Mein Kampf, anyone crazy enough to actually have clicked on a link is already making questionable choices anyway.
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Let me rephrase that, Res. If someone showed up with that same post with the heading "Make Money From Home", you'd move it. Same principle.

Same for any other heading that is just as much speech as advertising online schemes.

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Mein Kampf, Cookie Monster translation (bonus PDF download of C is for Concentration Camp to first 500 who click the link)

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Physics Guy wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 9:02 pm
So we are literally giving a platform to Adolf Hitler?
No, we are literally giving a platform to Elizabeth. She, like every other forum member, is free to discuss any topic, as long as the post conforms to the rules.
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Gadianton wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 9:08 pm
I think in the past we've followed the spirit of the law in terms of harsher enforcement when it comes to neo-nazi stuff, and so I think Physic Guy is absolutely right that this should go. My opinion as a forum member.

The enforcement will come by necessity anyway later if you don't do it now, as previous experience has shown.
Which rule do you think embodies the spirit of content based speech restrictions.

I did battle with Smokey, a holocaust denier and promoter of Christian Identity anti-semitism for what seemed like weeks. I do not recall any moderator intervention, except when I objected to their posting of Christian Identity garbage on the Mormon side of the board. I'll review the mod forum and (sigh) the Smokey posting, but I don't recall any extra stringent moderation.
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honorentheos wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 9:47 pm
Let me rephrase that, Res. If someone showed up with that same post with the heading "Make Money From Home", you'd move it. Same principle.

Same for any other heading that is just as much speech as advertising online schemes.

Eastern European Women Need Husbands

WISH.com make your family proud!

Secret to Eat What You Want When You Want

Pack Real Heat, Make Her Say WoW!

Mein Kampf, Cookie Monster translation (bonus PDF download of C is for Concentration Camp to first 500 who click the link)

...have your credit card ready...
Yes, we move commercial spam. What about Elizabeth's post makes you think it is being posted on thousands of other websites?
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Re: Moved: THISandThat

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 10:09 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 9:47 pm
Let me rephrase that, Res. If someone showed up with that same post with the heading "Make Money From Home", you'd move it. Same principle.

Same for any other heading that is just as much speech as advertising online schemes.

Eastern European Women Need Husbands

WISH.com make your family proud!

Secret to Eat What You Want When You Want

Pack Real Heat, Make Her Say WoW!

Mein Kampf, Cookie Monster translation (bonus PDF download of C is for Concentration Camp to first 500 who click the link)

...have your credit card ready...
Yes, we move commercial spam. What about Elizabeth's post makes you think it is being posted on thousands of other websites?
Not being a mind reader nor seeing it as reasonable to see if it is being spread around the Internet elsewhere I choose the principle of form following function. Look like spam? Treat like spam.
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Re: Moved: THISandThat

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There are many versions of Mein Kampf available.
Unfortunately some have been incorrectly translated, many times deliberately so.
The content in these links is excellent, in that the reader speaks well, has an easy voice to listen to, and has intelligently researched the subject. :)
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 8:11 pm
Elizabeth, Universal Rule 10 states:
Do not EVER "link-and-run." If you post a link to something, always explain what's at the other end of the link, why it's important, and what you hope other readers / viewers learn from it. RULE OF THUMB: If it's not worth your time to describe it, then it's not worth our time to click on it.


Please explain why it's important to link Mein Kampf in the thread and what you hope other readers will learn from reading the text at your links.

Thanks.
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