Is baptism for the dead really Christian?

[_subgenius]

Really?

Still, I will give it ago. Major William Martin of the Royal Marines. Born March 29 1907 and died April 24 1943.

Give it another go....
Again, the question is for you to prove that there is someone who actually existed that can never be "proven" to have existed.....which is the claim that was stated and/or inferred by the likes of canpakes, DarthJ, etc...

[_subgenius]

Perhaps we're looking at this the wrong way....

you could have stopped your post there and achieved the same effect

[_Melchett]

Really?

Still, I will give it ago. Major William Martin of the Royal Marines. Born March 29 1907 and died April 24 1943.

Give it another go....
Again, the question is for you to prove that there is someone who actually existed that can never be "proven" to have existed.....which is the claim that was stated and/or inferred by the likes of canpakes, DarthJ, etc...

Major William Martin existed. He was instrumental in carrying out a fine piece of counter-intelligence. Yet he didn't. It answered your question.

You continue to hide behind a question that you know that you will refine and refine until it can't be answered. My answer above stands.

And the list of questions I have refused to answer?

[_subgenius]

Bumped for answer.

your persistence is admirable, just not self-imposed.

I would be curious how you would go about proving that there is, in fact, someone incapable of ever being undocumented or that has never been documented by any means.

posted Dec 12 at 12:24
followed by several promptings by me via "your turn" as you continued to dodge the question with your own rabbit hole digging.
and still you have not answered.

[_subgenius]

Major William Martin existed. He was instrumental in carrying out a fine piece of counter-intelligence. Yet he didn't. It answered your question.

You continue to hide behind a question that you know that you will refine and refine until it can't be answered. My answer above stands.

then you stand alone...foolishly alone.
Major Martin did not exist...per the meaning of the word he had no "actual being" no "life or animation"
However, Glyndwr Michael did actually exist....and has been proven such.
Still waiting for an answer

[_Melchett]

Bumped for answer.

your persistence is admirable, just not self-imposed.

I would be curious how you would go about proving that there is, in fact, someone incapable of ever being undocumented or that has never been documented by any means.

posted Dec 12 at 12:24
followed by several promptings by me via "your turn" as you continued to dodge the question with your own rabbit hole digging.
and still you have not answered.

My reply to you, on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 6:40 pm, did not elicit any response from you, so why you bring December 12th into it baffles me.

Also, the fact that questions means a single question baffles me.

[_Melchett]

I would be curious how you would go about proving that there is, in fact, someone incapable of ever being undocumented or that has never been documented by any means.

Just by your question existing proves that this is the case, otherwise your question could not exist.

Proof.

[_Themis]

Christians are Mormons



and i am guessing that the apostasy inference was lost on you....amiright?

It wouldn't change that your logic is not correct. The church does not teach one has to be Mormon to be Christian, and I doubt you believe that, Therefore Christians are Mormon is incorrect. It would be correct to say some Christians are Mormon.

[_Themis]

Corpsegrinder,

My apologies. I wasn't aware you are part of the village atheist brigade here at MD. Sorry to waste your time (and even more sorry I wasted mine). No need to reply, I won't see your posts anymore.

I didn't see anything in his posts that would warrant being ignored, although I do realize that one has the right to ignore who they want. I may not agree with everything he said, but I would end up ignoring a lot of people for just having a different POV.

[_canpakes]

Really?

Still, I will give it ago. Major William Martin of the Royal Marines. Born March 29 1907 and died April 24 1943.

Give it another go....
Again, the question is for you to prove that there is someone who actually existed that can never be "proven" to have existed.....which is the claim that was stated and/or inferred by the likes of canpakes, DarthJ, etc...

Ooops, SubG - You are now misquoting what has been discussed.

I specifically told you that there is a logical existence of a chain of relatives stretching back to the inception of life. What I'm asking you is how you intend to 'document' (your word, please reread your previous posts) folks for which no written records of names may exist. You essentially claim that the records necessary to perform BftD as required in the Temple actually exist for every human who has ever lived, a claim that you may want to prove to us, since you are making it.

Neither have you referred me to the part of the Book of Mormon that supposedly discusses baptism for the dead, as you suggested I would find.

Neither has any rationale for the validity or need of BftD been presented, given J. Smith's proclamation regarding his brother Alvin's residence in the CK sans baptism.

Neither has any reason been given why baptisms given by 'position along the family tree' (e.g., 'Great-great-great-Grandfather' as opposed to using any particular name) could not be used, which would vastly simplify the task.

Neither has any reason been given why the spirits of all deceased relatives could not be baptised in a single dunk.

But, I am enjoying watching you move the goalposts all over the field. When you've finished, please take a stab at answering any of the above.