Creedal Trinity misunderstood by LDS

[_subgenius]

Mittens, I do not disagree with your post on Jesus' knowledge of his eventual death and resurrection. Certainly by the time his work began and during it he was fully aware. I am not sure as to whether he fully understood that as a child which leaves open the thought or idea that he grew in knowledge as he matured.

unfortunately we learn from the Gospel of Thomas that your supposition is as most of Mittens' posts are - wishful thinking.
You have no reason to consider that Jesus did not have a full awareness of everything - how else could he have had a divine nature? Do you believe Him to have been part God and part Amnesiac?
He was "tempted in every way, but was without sin"...that is not how we learn..we learn by our mistakes, yet all the evidence proves that Jesus was without error in judgment or action.
So, how do you propose He learned? It has already been stated by Nipper that Jesus "learned" and then it was rather that He did not learn so much as He had God "reveal" things to Him...but not that God was in a superior position, just that God knew things He did not know, blah blah nonsensical evangelical reasoning.
I think you are trying to reconcile conflicting notions that have been created by Creed.

[_LittleNipper]

Mittens, I do not disagree with your post on Jesus' knowledge of his eventual death and resurrection. Certainly by the time his work began and during it he was fully aware. I am not sure as to whether he fully understood that as a child which leaves open the thought or idea that he grew in knowledge as he matured.

unfortunately we learn from the Gospel of Thomas that your supposition is as most of Mittens' posts are - wishful thinking.
You have no reason to consider that Jesus did not have a full awareness of everything - how else could he have had a divine nature? Do you believe Him to have been part God and part Amnesiac?
He was "tempted in every way, but was without sin"...that is not how we learn..we learn by our mistakes, yet all the evidence proves that Jesus was without error in judgment or action.
So, how do you propose He learned? It has already been stated by Nipper that Jesus "learned" and then it was rather that He did not learn so much as He had God "reveal" things to Him...but not that God was in a superior position, just that God knew things He did not know, blah blah nonsensical evangelical reasoning.
I think you are trying to reconcile conflicting notions that have been created by Creed.

Humans can learn from mistakes. However, they do not have to engage in error to find out what is right. They can, and some do listen to instruction and revelation. Jesus as a perfect human with the nature of God, relied on the Father for His leading and perfect timing...

[_gdemetz]

Mittens, as I stated before, the articles of faith do not go into great doctrinal details, however, you will find NOTHING there which is contrary to Mormon doctrine!!!

[_Mittens]

ousia Greek for “substance” or “being.” Trinitarian thought suggests that the Son derives his ousia from the Father, and yet what the Son is so the Father is exactly (see homoousios). In their formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity, the Cappadocian fathers declared that God was one ousia but three hypostaseis.

or ONE GOD yet three separate and distinct persons


POCKET DICTIONARY
OF
THEOLOGICAL TERMS By Stanley J. Grenz
David Guretzki
Cherith Fee Nordling


Trinity The Christian understanding of God as triune. Trinity means that the one divine nature is a unity of three persons and that God is revealed as three distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The ultimate basis for the Christian doctrine of the Trinity lies in the divine self-disclosure in Jesus, who as the Son revealed the Father and poured out the Holy Spirit.

[_subgenius]

Humans can learn from mistakes.

agreed

However, they do not have to engage in error to find out what is right.

but they do have to understand and learn the notion of "error". One does not have to murder in order to claim it is wrong, but to truly "know" the argument is simple. So, the faith that one has that "knows" murder is wrong comes from tradition, at which case one did not "find out" anything.

They can, and some do listen to instruction and revelation. Jesus as a perfect human with the nature of God,

A "perfect" human? except with frailties?
so, first you pronounce that Christ took on the frailties of man....and now....not so frail, but rather was "perfect"
which ultimately lead you to exclaim that it must be rather obvious that Christ was both! Christ was both imperfect and perfect...the Holy Duality as has been determined by some sort of Creed.
Like i stated before, evangelicals would have us all consider God as schizophrenic.

relied on the Father for His leading and perfect timing...

Please, provide evidence for this conclusion via the terms "relied on" and "His leading"
You are proposing that Jesus was subservient to the Father?

[_subgenius]

ousia Greek for “substance” or “being.” Trinitarian thought suggests that the Son derives his ousia from the Father, and yet what the Son is so the Father is exactly (see homoousios). In their formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity, the Cappadocian fathers declared that God was one ousia but three hypostaseis.

or ONE GOD yet three separate and distinct persons


POCKET DICTIONARY
OF
THEOLOGICAL TERMS By Stanley J. Grenz
David Guretzki
Cherith Fee Nordling


Trinity The Christian understanding of God as triune. Trinity means that the one divine nature is a unity of three persons and that God is revealed as three distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The ultimate basis for the Christian doctrine of the Trinity lies in the divine self-disclosure in Jesus, who as the Son revealed the Father and poured out the Holy Spirit.

Ever though of using the scriptures to support your doctrine?
just saying, it might be more credible if you did...otherwise you just come across as someone who...well...who is not that credible nor convincing.

[_Mittens]

Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over £all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Notice singular God , plural pronoun = One God Three distinct persons

Gen 11:5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.
7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language,

Notice singular God , plural pronoun = One God Three distinct persons


http://youtu.be/56KvdOGQ8Ao

[_LittleNipper]

Mittens, as I stated before, the articles of faith do not go into great doctrinal details, however, you will find NOTHING there which is contrary to Mormon doctrine!!!

But it does run contrary to the Holy Bible.

[_LittleNipper]

relied on the Father for His leading and perfect timing...

Please, provide evidence for this conclusion via the terms "relied on" and "His leading"
You are proposing that Jesus was subservient to the Father?

Luke 22:42 (Jesus prayed) 'Father, if Thou be counselling to make this cup pass from me -- ;but, not my will, but Thine be done.' --
Mark 13:32 (Jesus said while alive on this planet) 'And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers who are in the heaven, not even the Son -- except the Father.

[_Mittens]

Line 33 of the Athanasion Creed does say Jesus was inferior to the Father as a man

http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html


Especially since Jesus was equal with the Father as Jehovah, but emptied himself of that equality when he became man .

Phil 2:
5 Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]

6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[b]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not [c]think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped [d]or retained,
Amplified Version