Creedal Trinity misunderstood by LDS

[_gdemetz]

Nipper, you stating that it is contrary to the Bible without any specifics is not credible. It is only contrary to your understanding of the Bible!

Mittens you can keep doing that same song and dance if you like, but Sub is right. No one who really understands the doctrine of the Trinity, despite your poor attempts at apologetics, is convinced by them! The doctrine of the Trinity is that these three persons ARE ONE BEING, and there are many references which clearly state that, and it is absolutely false!!!

[_subgenius]

Luke 22:42 (Jesus prayed) 'Father, if Thou be counselling to make this cup pass from me -- ;but, not my will, but Thine be done.' --
Mark 13:32 (Jesus said while alive on this planet) 'And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers who are in the heaven, not even the Son -- except the Father.

So, as i suspected you are at least guilty of the following heresies as noted by Mittens on another thread:

Heresies

•Arianism - Jesus was a lesser, created being.
•Docetism - Jesus was divine, but only seemed to be human.
•Kenosis - Jesus gave up some divine attributes while on earth.
•Subordinationism - The Son is lesser than the Father in essence and or attributes.
•Tritheism - the Trinity is really three separate gods.

http://carm.org/heresies

[_subgenius]

Line 33 of the Athanasion Creed does say Jesus was inferior to the Father as a man

http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html


Especially since Jesus was equal with the Father as Jehovah, but emptied himself of that equality when he became man .

Phil 2:
5 Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]

6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[b]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not [c]think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped [d]or retained,
Amplified Version

Mittens, this is why you have little credibility...you contradict your self too many times.
Per your own admission, you are a heretic, or at least you are noting that the Athanasion Creed is heretical
Mittens on another thread:

Heresies
•Subordinationism - The Son is lesser than the Father in essence and or attributes.
http://carm.org/heresies

begin your backpedal.....now

[_LittleNipper]

Luke 22:42 (Jesus prayed) 'Father, if Thou be counselling to make this cup pass from me -- ;but, not my will, but Thine be done.' --
Mark 13:32 (Jesus said while alive on this planet) 'And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers who are in the heaven, not even the Son -- except the Father.

So, as i suspected you are at least guilty of the following heresies as noted by Mittens on another thread:

Heresies

•Arianism - Jesus was a lesser, created being.
•Docetism - Jesus was divine, but only seemed to be human.
•Kenosis - Jesus gave up some divine attributes while on earth.
•Subordinationism - The Son is lesser than the Father in essence and or attributes.
•Tritheism - the Trinity is really three separate gods.

http://carm.org/heresies

No, Christ is an eternal being.
No, He became a human lifeform at His own descression with the movement/intervention of the Holy Spirit over the womb of Mary.
No, Jesus set aside some of His divine knowledge and mobility to become and interact as a perfect human.
No, Christ accepts the Father's direction as part of a total working package we call God.
No, there is but one God essence made up of three unified beings who each play key roles in accomplishing the business of that essence we know as God.

[_Mittens]

No, Christ is an eternal being.

I doubt see Christ as Eternal since it's a title. Now Jesus is Eternal as GodMIcah 5:2

[_gdemetz]

Sub, that you for saying that so I want have to other than quote you about Mittens [deleted], and you are right since she is constantly contradicting herself!

[_subgenius]

No, He became a human lifeform at His own descression with the movement/intervention of the Holy Spirit over the womb of Mary.

provide scripture that confirms this assertion by you

No, Jesus set aside some of His divine knowledge and mobility to become and interact as a perfect human.

"setting aside" still means that He was "lesser" than God - which is clearly heretical according to Mittens' reference. (and you have a little Docetism thrown in there)
Please, provide scripture that confirms that Jesus, Himself "set aside" any or some "divine knowledge". (which means prove that He had the knowledge and then chose, or was instructed, to set it aside)

No, Christ accepts the Father's direction as part of a total working package we call God.

provide scripture that confirms this assertion by you - not the accepting part, but that the accepting is part of some "working package".
By "accepting" do you mean that He has the authority to also "deny" the Father's direction? surely this is true if He is not "lesser" than the Father, correct? If he had no ability to deny then he had no ability to accept.

No, there is but one God essence made up of three unified beings who each play key roles in accomplishing the business of that essence we know as God.

so, which heresy are you most comfortable with...because you seem undecided about which one you really want to express.....consistently

•Arianism - Jesus was a lesser, created being.
•Docetism - Jesus was divine, but only seemed to be human.
•Kenosis - Jesus gave up some divine attributes while on earth.
•Subordinationism - The Son is lesser than the Father in essence and or attributes.
•Tritheism - the Trinity is really three separate gods.

http://carm.org/heresies

[_gdemetz]

Good post Sub! Credibility is important!

[_Mittens]

From the same site the Trinity

http://carm.org/trinity

[_subgenius]

From the same site the Trinity

http://carm.org/trinity

it must be comforting to know that you are not the only one who is so confused....and that you are not the only heretic.