Creedal Trinity misunderstood by LDS

[_ludwigm]

Cherub PLURAL CHERUBIM, THE NAME OF CERTAIN SYMBOLICAL FIGURES FREQUENTLY MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE. THEY ARE FIRST MENTIONED IN CONNECTION WITH THE EXPULSION OF OUR FIRST PARENTS FROM EDEN (Gen. 3:24). There is no intimation given of their shape or form. They are next mentioned when Moses was commanded to provide furniture for the tabernacle (Ex. 25:17-20; 26:1, 31). God promised to commune with Moses “from between the cherubim” (Ex. 25:22). This expression was afterwards used to denote the Divine abode and presence (Num. 7:89; 1 Sam. 4:4; Isa. 37:16; Ps. 80:1; 99:1). In Ezekiel’s vision (Ezek. 10:1-20) they appear as living creatures supporting the throne of God. From Ezekiel’s description of them (Ezek. 1; 10; 41:18, 19), they appear to have been compound figures, unlike any real object in nature; artificial images possessing the features and properties of several animals. Two cherubim were placed on the Atonement Cover of the ark; two of colossal size overshadowed it in Solomon’s temple. Ezekiel (Ezek. 1:4-14) speaks of four; and this number of “living creatures” is mentioned in Rev. 4:6. Those on the ark are called the “cherubim of glory” (Heb. 9:5), i.e., of the Shechinah, or cloud of glory, for on them the visible glory of God rested. They were placed one at each end of the Atonement Cover, with wings stretched upward, and their faces “toward each other and toward the Atonement Cover.” They were anointed with holy oil, like the ark itself and the other sacred furniture. The cherubim were symbolical. They were intended to represent spiritual existences in immediate contact with Jehovah. Some have regarded them as symbolical of the chief ruling power by which God carries on his operations in providence (Ps. 18:10). Others interpret them as having reference to the redemption of men, and as symbolizing the great rulers or ministers of the church. Many other opinions have been held regarding them which need not be referred to here. On the whole, it seems to be most satisfactory to regard the interpretation of the symbol to be variable, as is the symbol itself. Their office was, (1.) on the expulsion of our first parents from Eden, to prevent all access to the tree of life; and (2.) to form the throne and chariot of Jehovah in his manifestation of himself on earth. He dwelleth between and sitteth on the cherubim (1 Sam. 4:4; Ps. 80:1; Ezek. 1:26, 28).

whaddyasay wit tis a'bov?

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... and I agree her.

[_Mittens]

Todays sermon very very anti-Mormon

Eph 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are saved apart from works, it is all by God's Grace.

We are saved to do good works, it is all for God's Glory.

So the good works are not to Exalt us but to exalt God

Matthew 23:
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Luke 14:
11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Luke 18:
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

one of todays Worship songs goes with message


http://youtu.be/hbIg6MCHtHM

[_gdemetz]

Mittens, [non-Celestial comment deleted]. What you stated definitely does not excuse us from the statement Christ made; 'IF THOU WILT ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS"! Those scriptures simply means that we can't boast since if it weren't for Christ's atonement, then none could be saved! When one is honestly studying the scriptures, one must take into account ALL of them in the proper perspective!

[_Mittens]

Mittens, [non-Celestial comment deleted]. What you stated definitely does not excuse us from the statement Christ made; 'IF THOU WILT ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS"! Those scriptures simply means that we can't boast since if it weren't for Christ's atonement, then none could be saved! When one is honestly studying the scriptures, one must take into account ALL of them in the proper perspective!

So you deny the Bible ?


1. He was worshiped as God by the angels. Heb. 1:6
2. He was worshiped as God by the shepherds. Luke 2:15
3. He was worshiped as God by the wise men. Matt. 2:2, 11
4. He was worshiped as God by a leper. Matt. 8:2
5. He was worshiped as God by a ruler. Matt. 9:18
6. He was worshiped as God by a Canaanite woman. Matt. 15:25
7. He was worshiped as God by a mother. Matt. 20:20
8. He was worshiped as God by a maniac. Mark 5:6
9. He was worshiped as God by a man born blind. John 9:38
10. He was worshiped as God by Thomas. John 20:28
11. He was worshiped as God by the Greeks. John 12:20-21
12. He was worshiped as God by His Apostles. Matt. 14:33; 28:9
13. He is worshiped as God by all creation. Rev 5:11-14
14. He was worshiped as God by Isaiah. Isaiah 6:1-6. John 12:41
15. He was worshiped as God by the women. Matt 28:9
16. He was worshiped by His Disciples. Luke 24:52


Our Relationship with the Lord
BRUCE R. MCCONKIE

Now, it is no secret that many false and vain and foolish things are being taught in the sectarian world and even among us about our need to gain a special relationship with the Lord Jesus. I shall summarize the true doctrine in this field and invite erring teachers and beguiled students to repent and believe the accepted gospel verities as I shall set them forth.
We worship the Father and him only and no one else.

We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense--the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator.

Christ worked out his own salvation by worshiping the Father.
After the Firstborn of the Father, while yet a spirit being, had gained power and
intelligence that made him like unto God; after he had become, under the Father, the Creator of worlds without number; after he had reigned on the throne of eternal power as the Lord Omnipotent--after all this he yet had to gain a mortal and then an immortal body.

http://speeches.BYU.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843

[_gdemetz]

Mittens, you have completely strayed from what I stated! I simply quoted a verse that is so often ignored here: "If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments"! Then, you accuse me of not believing the Bible?!? Hello! I just quoted the Bible! Do you believe that scripture?!?

[_Mittens]

Mittens, you have completely strayed from what I stated! I simply quoted a verse that is so often ignored here: "If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments"! Then, you accuse me of not believing the Bible?!? Hello! I just quoted the Bible! Do you believe that scripture?!?

Yes I do and I know what the commandments were for:

Romans 5:20 The Ten Commandments were given so that all could see the extent of their failure to obey God’s laws. But the more we see our sinfulness, the more we see God’s abounding grace forgiving us.
21 Before, sin ruled over all men and brought them to death, but now God’s kindness rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

but I'm sure gdemetz keeps them all


1 John 1:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

[_subgenius]

It's strange that Sub can see what you can't, isn't it?! "God is in three SIMULTANIOUS persons." Is that what you believe?! That's what it stated!

At Jesus' baptism we have Jesus a separate person, God The Father in heaven, and the Holy Spirit as a dove. Three separate and distinct persons and a great Trinity proof scripture.

ummm...there is no proof, or even hint of proof, that all three are "One"
but yes, it is great proof that they are "separate and distinct".

you may just want to walk away at this point, admitting defeat is not shameful but denying it can be.

[_subgenius]

Mittens, you have completely strayed from what I stated! I simply quoted a verse that is so often ignored here: "If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments"! Then, you accuse me of not believing the Bible?!? Hello! I just quoted the Bible! Do you believe that scripture?!?

Yes I do and I know what the commandments were for:

Romans 5:20 The Ten Commandments were given so that all could see the extent of their failure to obey God’s laws. But the more we see our sinfulness, the more we see God’s abounding grace forgiving us.
21 Before, sin ruled over all men and brought them to death, but now God’s kindness rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

but I'm sure gdemetz keeps them all


1 John 1:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

by your own proclamation the 10 commandments have no authority anymore, they are Mosaic law and part of the old covenant.....your doctrine clearly has repealed their authority.

[_gdemetz]

Sub, did you notice the awful translation of the scripture she used? That was almost as bad as the Papa Joe version that I posted! It's strange that Christ didn't state that when He stated that was what was needed for salvation?!?

[_Mittens]

Sub, did you notice the awful translation of the scripture she used? That was almost as bad as the Papa Joe version that I posted! It's strange that Christ didn't state that when He stated that was what was needed for salvation?!?

Maybe you can find some where in the Bible where some one else held Melchizedek Priesthood other than Jesus