subgenius wrote:ironically "math" does not occur in nature....it is entirely man made...in other words, 1+1=2 does not exist in nature, completely man-made....equals 2 because we said so....we can actually change the rules so that 1+1=3.275 jus sayin
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Hey Subby, you're an architect, right? Why not share some examples of your work with us? I'm sure we'd all love to see them.
I've asked subgenius to do that many times without any comment or designs forthcoming.
Maybe subgenius' unusual understanding of mathematics is the explanation.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
LittleNipper wrote:Psalm 139: 7 – 8 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
Yes, I'm well aware of that verse, but this isn't a scripture chase. When are you going to answer my question?
And while you're at it, here's another. Your god is often described as being simultaneously omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. Unfortunately, the qualities of omniscience and omnipotence are mutually exclusive. In other words, if one is omnipotent, one cannot also be omniscient. Conversely, if one is omniscient, one cannot also be omnipotent. Can you please provide me with a passage of scripture that directly addresses this glaring contradiction and is not open to interpretation? Thank you.
Well, if you were aware of this verse, then why did you ask me for Biblical proof that God can be in Hell and Heaven at the same time. Omnipotent means, having unlimited power; able to do anything. synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high, etc... Omniscient means, knowing everything. synonyms: all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing, etc... You are confounding yourself. God certainly can be all powerful and know everything. To be all powerful does not necessary mean that knowledge can't be lacking; conversely, to be all knowing doesn't mean that one has the power to act on such knowledge. God can do both. And if the verse I provided isn't good enough for you, look up one for yourself. I mean you seem to spend time contemplating Satan. Contemplate the one who has the power to cast your soul into hell, and already knows where you will spend your eternity.
Ruth 3:1-18 Naomi asks Ruth, if it isn’t it time to find a husband? Boaz seems a very good choice. He has been so kind to and is a close relative. Naomi knows that he will be winnowing barley out on the threshing floor that night. Naomi tells Ruth to bathe and put on some perfume and some nice clothes and go on down to the threshing floor. Ruth is not to let him see her until he after supper. Notice where he lies down to sleep. Ruth is then to lift the cover off his feet and lie down there. Boaz knows what needs to be done concerning marriage.
Ruth went down to the threshing floor that night and followed her mother-in-law’s instructions. After Boaz had finished a good meal, he lay down very contentedly beside a heap of grain and went to sleep. Then Ruth came quietly and lifted the covering off his feet and lay there. Suddenly, around midnight, he wakened and sat up, startled. There was a woman lying at his feet!
“Who are you?” he demanded. “It’s I, sir—Ruth,” she replied. “Make me your wife according to God’s law, for you are my close relative.” “Thank God for such a girl like you!” he exclaimed. “For you are being even kinder to Naomi now than before. Naturally you’d prefer a younger man, even though poor. But you have put aside your personal desires.
Now don’t worry about a thing, my child; I’ll handle all the details, for everyone knows what a wonderful person you are." There is one problem, there is someone else who is more closely related to Ruth than is Boaz. Ruth is to stay the night, and in the morning Boaz will talk to this relative. If this relative will not marry Ruth, then Boaz is determined to. Ruth lay at the feet of Boaz until the morning and was up early, before daybreak, for he had said to her, “Don’t let it be known that a woman was here at the threshing floor.” Boaz then tied up a bushel and a half of barley in Ruth's shawl as a present for her mother-in-law and laid it on her back. Then she returned to the city.
Naomi asked Ruth what happened. She told Naomi everything and gave her the barley from Boaz, and mentioned his remark that she mustn’t go home without a present. Then Naomi said to her, “Just be patient until we hear what happens, for Boaz won’t rest until he has followed through on this. He’ll settle it today.”
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And Naomi her mother-in-law saith to her, `My daughter, do not I seek for thee rest, that it may be well with thee?
2 and now, is not Boaz of our acquaintance, with whose young women thou hast been? lo, he is winnowing the threshing-floor of barley to-night,
3 and thou hast bathed, and anointed thyself, and put thy garments upon thee, and gone down to the threshing-floor; let not thyself be known to the man till he complete to eat and to drink;
4 and it cometh to pass when he lieth down, that thou hast known the place where he lieth down, and hast gone in, and uncovered his feet, and lain down, -- and he doth declare to thee that which thou dost do.'
5 And she saith unto her, `All that thou sayest -- I do.'
6 And she goeth down [to] the threshing-floor, and doth according to all that her mother-in-law commanded her
7 And Boaz eateth and drinketh, and his heart is glad; and he goeth in to lie down at the end of the heap; and she cometh in gently, and uncovereth his feet, and lieth down.
8 And it cometh to pass, at the middle of the night, that the man trembleth, and turneth himself, and lo, a woman is lying at his feet.
9 And he saith, `Who [art] thou?' and she saith, `I [am] Ruth thy handmaid, and thou hast spread thy skirt over thy handmaid, for thou [art] a redeemer.'
10 And he saith, `Blessed [art] thou of Jehovah, my daughter; thou hast dealt more kindly at the latter end than at the beginning -- not to go after the young men, either poor or rich.
11 And now, my daughter, fear not, all that thou sayest I do to thee, for all the gate of my people doth know that thou [art] a virtuous woman.
12 And now, surely, true, that I [am] a redeemer, but also there is a redeemer nearer than I.
13 Lodge to night, and it hath been in the morning, if he doth redeem thee, well: he redeemeth; and if he delight not to redeem thee, then I have redeemed thee -- I; Jehovah liveth! lie down till the morning.'
14 And she lieth down at his feet till the morning, and riseth before one doth discern another; and he saith, `Let it not be known that the woman hath come into the floor.'
15 And he saith, `Give the covering which [is] on thee, and keep hold on it;' and she keepeth hold on it, and he measureth six [measures] of barley, and layeth [it] on her; and he goeth into the city.
16 And she cometh in unto her mother-in-law, and she saith, `Who [art] thou, my daughter?' and she declareth to her all that the man hath done to her.
17 And she saith, `These six [measures] of barley he hath given to me, for he said, Thou dost not go in empty unto thy mother-in-law.'
18 And she saith, `Sit still, my daughter, till thou dost know how the matter falleth, for the man doth not rest except he hath completed the matter to-day.'
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LittleNipper wrote:Well, if you were aware of this verse, then why did you ask me for Biblical proof that God can be in Hell and Heaven at the same time.
No, LittleNipper, that's not what I asked you.
My question is this: How is it possible to be "forever separated" from your god and yet still be in his presence?
Does this mean you told a lie?
LittleNipper wrote:Omnipotent means, having unlimited power; able to do anything. synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high, etc...
So...if your god were to create a rock that was so heavy that not even your god could pick it up, would your god still be able to pick it up?
So...if your god is all-knowing, then why would he create people he knows will go to hell--like people who make up new doctrine and pretend it came from god, such as yourself?
LittleNipper wrote:Well, if you were aware of this verse, then why did you ask me for Biblical proof that God can be in Hell and Heaven at the same time.
No, LittleNipper, that's not what I asked you.
My question is this: How is it possible to be "forever separated" from your god and yet still be in his presence?
Does this mean you told a lie?
LittleNipper wrote:Omnipotent means, having unlimited power; able to do anything. synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high, etc...
So...if your god were to create a rock that was so heavy that not even your god could pick it up, would your god still be able to pick it up?
So...if your god is all-knowing, then why would he create people he knows will go to hell--like people who make up new doctrine and pretend it came from god, such as yourself?
Again, The very same way you appear to be separated from God here and now. God knows your words and deeds and what you are thinking at this moment; however, you are oblivious of God. The reason God allows people to be born who will go to hell, is simply because God knows that there is some descendant that will be born of such a one who at some future time will accept God. God does it for the sake of that individual. I have not made up doctrines. However, you seem to be promoting a vial book and sowing confusion.
LittleNipper wrote:Well, if you were aware of this verse, then why did you ask me for Biblical proof that God can be in Hell and Heaven at the same time.
No, LittleNipper, that's not what I asked you.
My question is this: How is it possible to be "forever separated" from your god and yet still be in his presence?
Does this mean you told a lie?
LittleNipper wrote:Omnipotent means, having unlimited power; able to do anything. synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high, etc...
So...if your god were to create a rock that was so heavy that not even your god could pick it up, would your god still be able to pick it up?
So...if your god is all-knowing, then why would he create people he knows will go to hell--like people who make up new doctrine and pretend it came from god, such as yourself?
Again, The very same way you appear to be separated from God here and now. God knows your words and deeds and what you are thinking at this moment; however, you are oblivious of God. The reason God allows people to be born who will go to hell, is simply because God knows that there is some descendant that will be born of such a one who at some future time will be accepting of Christ. Romans 8:29 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according go his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to become conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the first-born among many brethren; and whom he predestined, these he also called; and whom he called, these he also justified; and whom he justified, these he also glorified.
God does it for the sake of that foreknown individual. I have not made up doctrines. However, you seem to be promoting a vile book and sowing confusion.
LittleNipper wrote:Again, The very same way you appear to be separated from God here and now.
Well now you're changing your story--now you're saying they only APPEAR to be separated. Did you just tell another lie, LittleNipper?
LittleNipper wrote:God knows your words and deeds and what you are thinking at this moment; however, you are oblivious of God.
No, LittleNipper, I'm not the one telling lies about your god and inventing false doctrine. You are.
LittleNipper wrote:The reason God allows people to be born who will go to hell, is simply because God knows that there is some descendant that will be born of such a one who at some future time will be accepting of Christ. Romans 8:29
There you go again, telling another lie about your god, because if he was truly a "loving" god he wouldn't create people he knows are going to hell.
LittleNipper wrote:And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according go his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to become conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the first-born among many brethren; and whom he predestined, these he also called; and whom he called, these he also justified; and whom he justified, these he also glorified.
In which case it's impossible for your god to be a loving god, otherwise he wouldn't create people he knows are going to hell.
LittleNipper wrote:God does it for the sake of that foreknown individual.
Yes, for the "foreknown" individual who your god knows is going to hell, which proves your god is not a loving god, or else he wouldn't create people he knows are going to hell--such as those who tell lies and invent false doctrine, like you.
LittleNipper wrote:I have not made up doctrines.
Yes you have, see above.
LittleNipper wrote:However, you seem to be promoting a vile book and sowing confusion.
How many murders are recorded in the King James Bible?
How many murders are recorded in the Satanic Bible?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Well, I'm not familiar with Viennese architecture, but I'm somewhat acquainted with the Astro-Hungarian variant of the Albatross D3 fighter, which was said to have superior performance compared to the German variant of the same aircraft that appeared over the Western Front in 1916...
Albatross D3, Astro-Hungarian variant...
Albatross D3, German-manufactured variant...
Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. --Yahoo Bot
I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
