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ludwigm wrote:google search gasometer vienna.
Well, I'm not familiar with Viennese architecture, but I'm somewhat acquainted with the Astro-Hungarian variant of the Albatross D3 fighter, which was said to have superior performance compared to the German variant of the same aircraft that appeared over the Western Front in 1916...


Albatross D3, Astro-Hungarian variant...
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Albatross D3, German-manufactured variant...
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Nasty looking flightline in both of those pictures. It seems the hardest part of aviation in those days was getting the planes unstuck from the mud.
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LeVay wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Well, if you were aware of this verse, then why did you ask me for Biblical proof that God can be in Hell and Heaven at the same time.
No, LittleNipper, that's not what I asked you.

My question is this: How is it possible to be "forever separated" from your god and yet still be in his presence?

Does this mean you told a lie?


LittleNipper wrote:Omnipotent means, having unlimited power; able to do anything. synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high, etc...
So...if your god were to create a rock that was so heavy that not even your god could pick it up, would your god still be able to pick it up?


LittleNipper wrote:Omniscient means, knowing everything. synonyms: all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing, etc...
So...if your god is all-knowing, then why would he create people he knows will go to hell--like people who make up new doctrine and pretend it came from god, such as yourself?


God cannot sin. That doesn't mean that He is less powerful. God cannot do anything against His own nature. And God knows and witnesses what is happening in Hell to everyone there. The people in hell witness only what is happening to themselves as individuals. It is they who are separated from God. And while I am not perfect, I never claimed to be. The fact is that God created hell to hold the fallen angels. It was because of Adam's sin that mortals can and do end up there. To be separated from God entirely, everything including God would cease to exist. Everything that exists owes its existence to God. So man can be separated from God. In other words, man can work thoughtless of God, but owes his ability to work at all to God. So man can be free of God influence (separated); however, Creation cannot be free of God's existence (the presence of God).
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Re: Bible verse by verse

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LeVay wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Again, The very same way you appear to be separated from God here and now.
Well now you're changing your story--now you're saying they only APPEAR to be separated. Did you just tell another lie, LittleNipper?

I was speaking as politely as I could concerning YOU! Do you believe in God? Are you fully aware of God's presence? If your answer is, " NO!" how is that possible unless you are separated from God. God is fully aware of you. Come Judgment Day you will see (at least in part) the glory of God. However, if your name isn't in the Book of Life nor the Lamb's Book of Life, you will be cast out into utter darkness. You will no longer see God and you will exist in torment. However, God will still be aware of you and your suffering. You will be forever in God's presence (as will hell to the Glory of God) but you will not be in a place care. You see, EVERYTHING ultimately glorifies God. God is LORD of ALL.
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LittleNipper wrote:Come Judgment Day you will see (at least in part) the glory of God. However, if your name isn't in the Book of Life nor the Lamb's Book of Life, you will be cast out into utter darkness. You will no longer see God and you will exist in torment. However, God will still be aware of you and your suffering. You will be forever in God's presence (as will hell to the Glory of God) but you will not be in a place care. You see, EVERYTHING ultimately glorifies God. God is LORD of ALL.

Jabberwocky by Lewis Carroll
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand;
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood a while in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

Szajkóhukky (Hungarian by Sándor Weöres)
Volt egy brillős, a csuszbugó
Gimbelt és gált távlengibe,
Minden mimicre purrogó,
Mómája ingibe.
" Vigyázz, jön Szajkóhukk, fiam!
Foga maró, karma furó!
Ügyelj, Csapcsip madár zuhan
S a brunkós Bromboló!"
Markában nyüsztő penge reng,
Elrágdos minden manxomot.
A tamtam-fánál megpihent,
Mély gondjába rogyott.
Állt fergető eszmék körén,
S jött Szajkóhukk, nézése láng,
Nagy káka-törzsek erdején
Bugyborékolva ráng.
Bal, jobb! Bal, jobb! És át meg át
Nyüsztő penge nyekdes, nyikol,
Fejét veszi, máris viszi,
S eldiadalogol.
" Szajkóhukk már nem él, fiam?
Karomba, lándzsás pöszöröm!
Dicsdús nap, ó! Jahé! Jahó!"
Csuklorkant az öröm.

Volt egy brillős, a csuszbugó
Gimbelt és gált távlengibe,
Minden mimicre purrogó,
Mómája ingibe.
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ludwigm wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Come Judgment Day you will see (at least in part) the glory of God. However, if your name isn't in the Book of Life nor the Lamb's Book of Life, you will be cast out into utter darkness. You will no longer see God and you will exist in torment. However, God will still be aware of you and your suffering. You will be forever in God's presence (as will hell to the Glory of God) but you will not be in a place care. You see, EVERYTHING ultimately glorifies God. God is LORD of ALL.

Jabberwocky by Lewis Carroll
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand;
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood a while in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

Szajkóhukky (Hungarian by Sándor Weöres)
Volt egy brillős, a csuszbugó
Gimbelt és gált távlengibe,
Minden mimicre purrogó,
Mómája ingibe.
" Vigyázz, jön Szajkóhukk, fiam!
Foga maró, karma furó!
Ügyelj, Csapcsip madár zuhan
S a brunkós Bromboló!"
Markában nyüsztő penge reng,
Elrágdos minden manxomot.
A tamtam-fánál megpihent,
Mély gondjába rogyott.
Állt fergető eszmék körén,
S jött Szajkóhukk, nézése láng,
Nagy káka-törzsek erdején
Bugyborékolva ráng.
Bal, jobb! Bal, jobb! És át meg át
Nyüsztő penge nyekdes, nyikol,
Fejét veszi, máris viszi,
S eldiadalogol.
" Szajkóhukk már nem él, fiam?
Karomba, lándzsás pöszöröm!
Dicsdús nap, ó! Jahé! Jahó!"
Csuklorkant az öröm.

Volt egy brillős, a csuszbugó
Gimbelt és gált távlengibe,
Minden mimicre purrogó,
Mómája ingibe.


Humpty Dumpty interrupted: 'there are plenty of hard words there. Brillig means four o'clock in the afternoon - the time when you begin broiling things for dinner.

'That'll do very well,' said Alice: 'and slithy?'

'Well, slithy means 'lithe and slimy'. 'Lithe' is the same as 'active'. You see, its like a portmanteau - there are two meanings packed up into one word.'

'I see it now,' Alice remarked thoughtfully: 'and what are toves ?'

'Well', toves are something like badgers - they're something like lizards - and they're something like corkscrews.' 'They must be very curious-looking creatures.'

'They are that,' said Humpty Dumpty; 'also they make their nests under sun-dials - also they live on cheese.'

'And what's to gyre and to gimble?' 'To gyre is to go round and round like a gyroscope. To gimble is to make holes like a gimlet.'

And the wabe is the grass-plot round a sun-dial, I suppose?' said Alice, surprised at her own ingenuity. 'Of course it is. It's called wabe you know, because it goes a long way before it, and a long way behind it - 'And a long way beyond it on each side,' Alice added.

'Exactly so. Well then, mimsy is 'flimsy and miserable' (there's another portmanteau for you). And a borogove is a thin shabby-looking bird with its feathers sticking out all round - something like a live mop.'

'And then mome raths ?' said Alice. 'I'm afraid I'm giving you a great deal of trouble.' 'Well, a rath is a sort of green pig: but mome I'm not certain about. I think it's short for 'from home' - meaning that they'd lost their way, you know.'

'And what does outgrabe mean?' 'Well, outgribing is something between bellowing and whistling, with a kind of sneeze in the middle: however, you'll hear it done, maybe - down in the wood yonder - and, when you've once heard it, you'll be quite content. Who's been repeating all that hard stuff to you?'

'I read it in a book,' said Alice"

From Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll
Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.
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LittleNipper wrote:From Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll
Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

But what does this have to do with the Austro-Hungarian variant of the German-manufactured Albatross D3 fighter?

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Please view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xVAG6Llmm0

I memorized this one many years ago.
The Owl and the Pussy-Cat

By Edward Lear

The Owl and the Pussy-cat went to sea

In a beautiful pea-green boat,

They took some honey, and plenty of money,

Wrapped up in a five-pound note.

The Owl looked up to the stars above,

And sang to a small guitar,

"O lovely Pussy! O Pussy, my love,

What a beautiful Pussy you are,

You are,

You are!

What a beautiful Pussy you are!"


II

Pussy said to the Owl, "You elegant fowl!

How charmingly sweet you sing!

O let us be married! too long we have tarried:

But what shall we do for a ring?"

They sailed away, for a year and a day,

To the land where the Bong-Tree grows

And there in a wood a Piggy-wig stood

With a ring at the end of his nose,

His nose,

His nose,

With a ring at the end of his nose.


III

"Dear Pig, are you willing to sell for one shilling

Your ring?" Said the Piggy, "I will."

So they took it away, and were married next day

By the Turkey who lives on the hill.

They dined on mince, and slices of quince,

Which they ate with a runcible spoon;

And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand,

They danced by the light of the moon,

The moon,

The moon,

They danced by the light of the moon.
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A Bagoly és a Cicuska

I

A Bagoly és a Cicuska tengerre ment
Szép borsózöld csónakban evezve,
Vittek kis mézet és egy nagy csomó pénzet,
Egy ötfontos bankóba tekerve.
A Bagoly felnézett, csillagokra révedt,
Dalolt, és szólt kicsiny gitárja már,
'Ó, drága Cicuska! Ó, szívem, Cicuska,
Mily gyönyörű Cicuskám vagy te már,
Te már,
Te már,
Mily gyönyörű Cicuskám vagy te már!'

II

Cicus szava nyájas: 'Te elegáns szárnyas!
Elbűvölő éneked élvezem!
Kössünk házasságot! Legyek végre párod;
De hogyan lesz majd gyűrűm énnekem?'
Hajóztak egy évig s egy napig még, végig,
A partig, melynek Bong-fa nő ormán,
Ahol a fák álltak, egy Malackát láttak
Egy csodaszép gyűrűvel az orrán,
Orrán,
Orrán,
Egy csodaszép gyűrűvel az orrán.

III

'Malacka, kedveském,gyűrűdet megvenném!'
'Kedved nem rontom, adom fél fonton,'
Szólt Malac, és adta. Másnap összeadta
A Pulyka őket,hol él, a dombon.
Darálthúst krokettel s birsalma szelettel
Ettek ők kanállal,flinc-flancos mód,
S kezet kézbe öltve, ott lent az öbölbe'
Táncoltak, amíg fent fénylett a hold,
A hold,
A hold,
Táncoltak, amíg fent fénylett a hold.
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LittleNipper wrote:A Bagoly és a Cicuska
Congratulation! :exclaim:


LittleNipper wrote:Please view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xVAG6Llmm0
The Owl and the Pussy-Cat By Edward Lear
Some page before, I wrote "There are people beyond recovery".

Now and here, I solemnly testify You are not of that category.


LittleNipper wrote:I memorized this one many years ago.
My grandchildren (the youngest of twenty...) like my evening tales. They say "grandpa's fables are soooo better than the read ones".
I have conned a lot. Memorized tales can be told in darkness. The kids fall asleep faster. --- Am I egoistic?
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ludwigm wrote:Memorized tales can be told in darkness.

What a wonderful turn of phrase. You, sir, are a poet.
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
ludwigm wrote:Memorized tales can be told in darkness.
What a wonderful turn of phrase. You, sir, are a poet.

Thank You for the aggrandizement (overstatement ??). But I am only a Hungarian with limited understanding of English.

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- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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