Creedal Trinity misunderstood by LDS

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LittleNipper wrote:The Trinity is a man made word used to discribe God's design --- Triune. Christ is not a God . Christ is God. The Father is not a God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is not a God. The Holy Spirit is God. There is but one God; therefore, God is triune in nature ----- made up of three beings. You can reject this if you like; however, you are a human. Humans are not a match for God and His knowledge.


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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:The Trinity is a man made word used to discribe God's design --- Triune. Christ is not a God . Christ is God. The Father is not a God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is not a God. The Holy Spirit is God. There is but one God; therefore, God is triune in nature ----- made up of three beings. You can reject this if you like; however, you are a human. Humans are not a match for God and His knowledge.


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Reason and logic are two different things. Someone can reason illogically, and another quite logically. A man can reason that since his life stinks, that everyone's life stinks. Beside, some Fundamentalists are Baptists, but not all Baptists are Fundamentalists.
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LittleNipper wrote:Reason and logic are two different things. Someone can reason illogically, and another quite logically. A man can reason that since his life stinks, that everyone's life stinks. Beside, some Fundamentalists are Baptists, but not all Baptists are Fundamentalists.


Reason...logic...I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.


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LittleNipper wrote:Humans are not a match for God and His knowledge.


They sure seem to be.
Give one specific, supported example where God has demonstrated a superior knowledge.
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Drifting wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Humans are not a match for God and His knowledge.


They sure seem to be.
Give one specific, supported example where God has demonstrated a superior knowledge.



Isa 40:10

Behold, the Lord GOD shall come with a strong hand, And His arm shall rule for Him; Behold, His reward is with Him, And His work before Him.
He will feed His flock like a shepherd; He will gather the lambs with His arm, And carry them in His bosom, And gently lead those who are with young.
Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand, Measured heaven with a span And calculated the dust of the earth in a measure? Weighed the mountains in scales And the hills in a balance?
Who has directed the Spirit of the Lord, Or as His counselor has taught Him?
With whom did He take counsel, and who instructed Him, And taught Him in the path of justice? Who taught Him knowledge, And showed Him the way of understanding?
Behold, the nations are as a drop in a bucket, And are counted as the small dust on the scales; Look, He lifts up the isles as a very little thing.
And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, Nor its beasts sufficient for a burnt offering.
All nations before Him are as nothing, And they are counted by Him less than nothing and worthless.
Justice = Getting what you deserve
Mercy = Not getting what you deserve
Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
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Mittens wrote:
Drifting wrote:
They sure seem to be.
Give one specific, supported example where God has demonstrated a superior knowledge.



Isa 40:10

Behold, the Lord GOD shall come with a strong hand, And His arm shall rule for Him; Behold, His reward is with Him, And His work before Him.
He will feed His flock like a shepherd; He will gather the lambs with His arm, And carry them in His bosom, And gently lead those who are with young.
Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand, Measured heaven with a span And calculated the dust of the earth in a measure? Weighed the mountains in scales And the hills in a balance?
Who has directed the Spirit of the Lord, Or as His counselor has taught Him?
With whom did He take counsel, and who instructed Him, And taught Him in the path of justice? Who taught Him knowledge, And showed Him the way of understanding?
Behold, the nations are as a drop in a bucket, And are counted as the small dust on the scales; Look, He lifts up the isles as a very little thing.
And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, Nor its beasts sufficient for a burnt offering.
All nations before Him are as nothing, And they are counted by Him less than nothing and worthless.


Sorry, that's what some (anonymous) writer is claiming in very flowery language. What 'specifically' has God done that can be evidenced?
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Drifting wrote:Sorry, that's what some (anonymous) writer is claiming in very flowery language. What 'specifically' has God done that can be evidenced?


Darn...you beat me to it.

But I can at least point out that modern scholars believe that as many as three different authors contributed to the Biblical Isaiah.
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
Drifting wrote:Sorry, that's what some (anonymous) writer is claiming in very flowery language. What 'specifically' has God done that can be evidenced?


Darn...you beat me to it.

But I can at least point out that modern scholars believe that as many as three different authors contributed to the Biblical Isaiah.



of the three, were any wrong ?
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Mittens, you only replied to part of my post, which is understandable since you guys have never adequately responded to the other part! Anyway, that was not a very good question! Notice how the scripture states that Christ was ordained AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHEZEDEK, so obviously Melchedezek held the "Melchezedek priesthood also, as did many others!!!
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Mittens wrote: of the three, were any wrong ?


Only if you believe Isaiah was an actual man who lived in ancient Judah and who interacted with an amoral, barbaric Hebrew tribal deity named Yahweh. If, on the other hand, you view the Book of Isaiah as a reservoir of symbolic cultural and anthropological data, then that's wholly different matter.
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