When will Christians acknowledge Mormons are Christian too?

[_Albion]

The name might be the same but there the similarity ends.

[_Bazooka]

To Mormons who believe themselves to be Christians:
Is Warren Jeffs a Mormon?
If not, why not?

Seriously, he is not because the distinction is already, and reasonably,being made between a Mormon and Mormon fundamentalist...with Jeffs being the latter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_fundamentalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_se ... amentalist

So by that protacol that would make Mormons, christian fundamentalists or perhaps christian cultists, rather than Christians, yes?

[_subgenius]

So by that protacol that would make Mormons, christian fundamentalists or perhaps christian cultists, rather than Christians, yes?

Actually No.
by that protocol it makes them "Mormons".

(protacol?)

[_Bazooka]

Sorry Subby, but it is impossible to be a Mormon AND a Christian...

Christianity began as a Jewish sect in the mid-1st century.[3][4] Originating in the Levant region of the Middle East, it quickly spread to Syria, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor and Egypt. It grew in size and influence over a few centuries, and by the end of the 4th century had become the official state church of the Roman Empire, replacing other forms of religion practiced under Roman rule.[5] During the Middle Ages, most of the remainder of Europe was Christianized, with Christians also being a sometimes large religious minority in the Middle East, North Africa, Ethiopia and parts of India.[6][7] Following the Age of Discovery, Christianity spread to the Americas, Australasia, sub-Saharan Africa, and the rest of the world through missionary work and colonization.[8][9][10] Christianity has played a prominent role in the shaping of Western civilization.

...because if you are a Christian then your religion has been on the earth, non stop, since the mid 1st Century. Something Mormons don't believe in.

[_subgenius]

Sorry Subby, but it is impossible to be a Mormon AND a Christian...

Christianity began as a Jewish sect in the mid-1st century.[3][4] Originating in the Levant region of the Middle East, it quickly spread to Syria, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor and Egypt. It grew in size and influence over a few centuries, and by the end of the 4th century had become the official state church of the Roman Empire, replacing other forms of religion practiced under Roman rule.[5] During the Middle Ages, most of the remainder of Europe was Christianized, with Christians also being a sometimes large religious minority in the Middle East, North Africa, Ethiopia and parts of India.[6][7] Following the Age of Discovery, Christianity spread to the Americas, Australasia, sub-Saharan Africa, and the rest of the world through missionary work and colonization.[8][9][10] Christianity has played a prominent role in the shaping of Western civilization.

...because if you are a Christian then your religion has been on the earth, non stop, since the mid 1st Century. Something Mormons don't believe in.

What an idiotic false dichotomy. You have yet to post a more confused and illogical response.

so much for you knowing something about what Mormons believe.
https://www.LDS.org/topics/apostasy?lang=eng

you should also crack open the scriptures on occasion
https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/New Testament/acts/ ... ang=eng#27

anyway, as you continue to make these feeble attempts to confuse your wiki cut/paste "Christianity" with what Mormons believe, know that you have successfully made their position valid.
"corrupted the principles of the gospel and made unauthorized changes in Church organization and priesthood ordinances. "

[_Bazooka]

so much for you knowing something about what Mormons believe.
https://www.LDS.org/topics/apostasy?lang=eng

From your link:
"When individuals or groups of people turn away from the principles of the gospel, they are in a state of apostasy."

Which Gospel?
The Christian Gospel or the Mormon Gospel?


In actual fact "Mormons" believe they are the only true Christians and the rest of Christendom is in a state of apostasy, right?

Throughout history, evil people have tried to destroy the work of God. This happened while the Apostles were still alive and supervising the young, growing Church. Some members taught ideas from their old pagan or Jewish beliefs instead of the simple truths taught by Jesus. Some rebelled openly. In addition, there was persecution from outside the Church. Church members were tortured and killed for their beliefs. One by one, the Apostles were killed or otherwise taken from the earth. Because of wickedness and apostasy, the apostolic authority and priesthood keys were also taken from the earth. The organization that Jesus Christ had established no longer existed, and confusion resulted. More and more error crept into Church doctrine, and soon the dissolution of the Church was complete. The period of time when the true Church no longer existed on earth is called the Great Apostasy.

Soon pagan beliefs dominated the thinking of those called Christians. The Roman emperor adopted this false Christianity as the state religion.

http://www.LDS.org/manual/gospel-princi ... s?lang=eng

So why do Mormons want to be classed as part of a much bigger group that they (the Mormons) think have it all wrong?

[_subgenius]

so much for you knowing something about what Mormons believe.
https://www.LDS.org/topics/apostasy?lang=eng

From your link:
"When individuals or groups of people turn away from the principles of the gospel, they are in a state of apostasy."

Which Gospel?
The Christian Gospel or the Mormon Gospel?

the Gospel of Jesus Christ...I am not familiar with any other "Gospels"

In actual fact "Mormons" believe they are the only true Christians and the rest of Christendom is in a state of apostasy, right?

yes, and i believe i stated that position, earlier, quite clearly here viewtopic.php?p=699099#p699099

...(snip)...So why do Mormons want to be classed as part of a much bigger group that they (the Mormons) think have it all wrong?

it is a missionary effort...the anti-ecumenical nature of the church is not really clandestine (as you would hope). Your error is thinking that Mormons do want to...in fact we want others to want to instead....as usual you are confused and misinformed about what Mormons want and believe.

[_madeleine]

Which Gospel?
The Christian Gospel or the Mormon Gospel?

the Gospel of Jesus Christ...I am not familiar with any other "Gospels"

A question: What do Mormons believe the "Gospel of Jesus Christ", to be/mean?

[_Albion]

Your error is thinking that Mormons do want to...in fact we want others to want to instead....as usual you are confused and misinformed about what Mormons want and believe.[/quote]


Since it is the Mormon Church and its members who constantly cry out "me, too" I think it a fair assumption that they do "want to". It is only in recent years that Mormons have tried to stress their "christianity" as opposed to identifying themselves as purely Mormon. Much of the focus of Mormon promotional materials is aimed at establishing the idea that they should be perceived as a Christian church thus breaking down barriers to their message that might be conjured up under the label Mormon. This whole debate became a hot topic in the late 70s when a Christian coalition in, I believe, Arizona began an extensive ad campaign stressing that they were not Christians and that unsuspecting Christians should beware. Until that time the Mormon Church was quite content to emphasize the difference. Slowly Mormon terminology has changed to reflect this desire to be perceived as Christian. I am not saying the Mormon Church wants to enjoy fellowship and communion with Christian churches but I think it suits their "missionary" purposes to blur the line over the term.

[_Bazooka]

A question: What do Mormons believe the "Gospel of Jesus Christ", to be/mean?

This is a difficult one to pin down.
When Mormons are asked to point out the specifics of their core/fundamental beliefs they can't.
If you imagine The (Mormon) Gospel as a tent, believers cannot tell you what beliefs of theirs sit within the tent and which sit outside.

Here is the Church's official description of the Gospel

Gospel
The gospel is our Heavenly Father's plan of happiness. The central doctrine of the gospel is the Atonement of Jesus Christ. The Prophet Joseph Smith said, “The first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Articles of Faith 1:4).

Additional Information
In its fulness, the gospel includes all the doctrines, principles, laws, ordinances, and covenants necessary for us to be exalted in the celestial kingdom. The Savior has promised that if we endure to the end, faithfully living the gospel, He will hold us guiltless before the Father at the Final Judgment (see 3 Nephi 27:16).

The fulness of the gospel has been preached in all ages when God's children have been prepared to receive it. In the latter days, or the dispensation of the fulness of times, the gospel has been restored through the Prophet Joseph Smith.

See if you can establish what the bolded bit includes and what it doesn't include...