LittleNipper wrote:So you are saying that Catholic Priests who were accused of sexual activity with young boys who later became atheists are now being seen as trumped up charges? Or is that "witch hunt acceptable in your eyes?
No, Nipper, that's precisely not what I'm saying.
Nipper, I'd like you to meet Dawn Kelly and Bob Wilson who in 1989 worked at the Little Rascals day care center in Edenton, North Carolina.
Dawn and Bob were arrested by investigators who had recently attended a Satanic Ritual Abuse seminar. Using techniques learned at the SRA seminar, investigators coercively interrogated some 90 children from Little Rascals who, under duress, accused Dawn and Bob of crimes consistent with SRA. On the strength of this "evidence", Bob was convicted and sentenced to twelve consecutive life sentences. Dawn was likewise convicted and received life in prison with no parole for twenty years.
Bob's and Dawn's convictions were eventually overturned on the grounds of gross investigative and prosecutorial misconduct.
Nipper, do feel any remorse at all for your part in propagating the false and malicious rumors that contributed to the pain and suffering inflicted on innocent parties like Dawn and Bob? What have you and the rest of the Conservative Christian community done to make amends to innocent victims like Dawn and Bob?
If you'd like to learn more, PBS offers an excellent 3-part series dealing with the Little Rascals case entitled Innocence Lost.
It seem evident that you pick and choose your battles, but are not consistent. It is the sexual contact issues that were being judged. Nobody either then or now goes to jail because they say they worship Satan. I feel no remorse regarding this issue whatsoever. I didn't grossly investigate nor prosecute anyone for molesting children. And the question would have to be asked if the Judge and the lawyers involved were Evangelical Christians. And did they apply BIBLICAL principles at all? I had nothing to do with it, just as I do not feel any remorse for slavery. My ancestors moved to the U.S. from Germany in the 1890's. If people are sent to jail solely for what a child says, then those that didn't do their jobs properly should be punished. Don't blame Christianity when Christians are not running the country and the country is not being run in a Christian way. Blame the idiots who watch too much TV, too many movies and don't attend church, nor read the Bible and then have too much to say about everyone else.
Another beautiful, uplifting story. Of words of god...
The son of the king rapes the daughter of the king. Another son of the king kills the one mentioned above.
Fortunately they were only half-sisters and half-brothers. Or subdecuple-sisters and subdecuple-brothers --- I don't know and don't care the amounts of David's wives.
But have you realized that the ultimate cause of this was David's OWN sin of murdering Uriah and having an adulterous affair with his wife. This has always been the warning of God. No one is an island. Your sins are passed on to those around you. Bible stories are not just there to read. One needs to apply the principles to demonstrate the truth that is being taught by God.
LittleNipper wrote:It is the sexual contact issues that were being judged.
What sexual contact are you talking about? Dawn Kelly and Bob Wilson were COMPLETELY INNOCENT of crimes involving sexual abuse. That's why their wrongful convictions were overturned. Next time pay attention, Nipper.
LittleNipper wrote:Nobody either then or now goes to jail because they say they worship Satan.
Well, at least not in this century.
LittleNipper wrote:I feel no remorse regarding this issue whatsoever.
Yes, you've made that very clear on numerous occasions. I'm sure Jesus is very happy with you.
LittleNipper wrote:I didn't grossly investigate nor prosecute anyone for molesting children.
Nipper, how does one "grossly investigate" something???
LittleNipper wrote:And the question would have to be asked if the Judge and the lawyers involved were Evangelical Christians.
That's the sixty-four dollar question, Nipper. Why don't you go and do some research, and then return and report? I will eagerly await your response. The answer is definitely out there. I think you'll be rather shocked at what you find.
LittleNipper wrote:And did they apply BIBLICAL principles at all?
I think you'll find that the manner in which Conservative Christians (like you) interpret the Bible is at the root of the problem.
LittleNipper wrote:I had nothing to do with it, just as I do not feel any remorse for slavery. My ancestors moved to the U.S. from Germany in the 1890's.
That's nice.
LittleNipper wrote:If people are sent to jail solely for what a child says, then those that didn't do their jobs properly should be punished.
No, Nipper, they were not sent to jail solely for what any of the child witnesses said.
LittleNipper wrote:Don't blame Christianity when Christians are not running the country and the country is not being run in a Christian way.
I'm not blaming Christianity; I'm blaming Conservative Christians (like you) who emerged as a political constituency during the early 1980's.
LittleNipper wrote:Blame the idiots who watch too much TV, too many movies and don't attend church, nor read the Bible and then have too much to say about everyone else.
That sounds like a very accurate description of your average Conservative Christian.
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I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
I can see I will get nowhere with you. You make no real sense. You claim that Conservative Christians had so much power that they controlled the courts. And yet the schools remain without open prayer and there is no encouraged Bible reading in public education. Christmas holiday is still called Winter break and Easter Holiday is still called Spring Break. You are merely trying your utmost to discredit Conservative Christians, so that you can press such agendas as gay marriage and not feel presumptuous. You are a very readable sort of individual and unless you find the Lord Jesus Christ, you will remain in pursuit of the dark. I will move on now, even if you cannot...........................................
2 Samuel 14:1-33 Joab realized how much the king longed to see Absalom. So he sent for a woman from Tekoa who had a reputation of great wisdom. He asked her to pretend that she was in mourning, as a woman who has been mourning for the dead a long time. She is to the king and tell him the following story. Joab told her what to say.
When this woman from Tekoa approached the king, she bowed with her face to the ground in deep respect and cried out, “O king! Help me!” David asked what is wrong. She replied that her husband died and her two sons had a fight out in the field. And since no one was there to stop it, one of them was killed. The rest of the family was demanding, that the surviving son be execute him for murdering his brother. He doesn’t deserve to inherit his family’s property.’ Her family will disappear from the face of the earth.
The king told her to go home, and he will see to it that no one touches this son. The woman from Tekoa replied. “If you are criticized for helping me, let the blame fall on me and on my father’s house, and let the king and his throne be innocent.” “If anyone objects,” the king said, “bring him to me. I can assure you he will never complain again!”
She replied, “Why don’t you do as much for the people of God as you have promised to do for me? You have convicted yourself in making this decision, because you have refused to bring home your own banished son. All of us must die eventually. Our lives are like water spilled out on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God does not just sweep life away; instead, he devises ways to bring us back when we have been separated from him.
“I have come to plead with my lord the king because people have threatened me. I said to myself, ‘Perhaps the king will listen to me and rescue us from those who would cut us off from the inheritance God has given us. Yes, my lord the king will give us peace of mind again.’ I know that you are like an angel of God in discerning good from evil. May the Lord your God be with you.”
“I must know one thing,” the king replied, “and tell me the truth.” “Yes, my lord the king,” she responded. “Did Joab put you up to this?”
Yes, Joab sent me and told me what to say. He did it to place the matter before you in a different light. But you are as wise as an angel of God, and you understand everything that happens among us!” So the king sent for Joab and told him, “All right, go and bring back the young man Absalom.” Joab went to Geshur and brought Absalom back to Jerusalem. 24 But the king gave this order: “Absalom may go to his own house, but he must never come into my presence.” So Absalom did not see the king.
Absalom was praised as the most handsome man in Israel. He was flawless from head to foot. He cut his hair only once a year, and then only because it was so heavy. When he weighed it out, it came to five pounds! He had three sons and one daughter. His daughter’s name was Tamar, and she was very beautiful. Absalom lived in Jerusalem for two years, but he never got to see the king. Then Absalom sent for Joab to ask him to intercede for him, but Joab refused to come. Absalom sent for him a second time, but again Joab refused to come. So Absalom said to his servants to set fire to Joab’s barley field --- next door.
Joab came to Absalom at his house and demanded, “Why did your servants set my field on fire?” Absalom replied, “Why return from Geshur? Let me see the king; if he finds me guilty of anything, then let him kill me." Joab told the king what Absalom had said. Then at last David summoned Absalom, who came and bowed low before the king, and the king kissed him.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And Joab son of Zeruial knoweth that the heart of the king [is] on Absalom,
2 and Joab sendeth to Tekoah, and taketh thence a wise woman, and saith unto her, `Feign thyself a mourner, I pray thee, and put on, I pray thee, garments of mourning, and anoint not thyself with oil, and thou hast been as a woman these many days mourning for the dead,
3 and thou hast gone unto the king, and spoken unto him, according to this word;' and Joab putteth the words into her mouth.
4 And the woman of Tekoah speaketh unto the king, and falleth on her face to the earth, and doth obeisance, and saith, `Save, O king.'
5 And the king saith to her, `What -- to thee?' and she saith, `Truly a widow woman [am] I, and my husband dieth,
6 and thy maid-servant hath two sons; and they strive both of them in a field, and there is no deliverer between them, and the one smiteth the other, and putteth him to death;
7 and lo, the whole family hath risen against thy maid-servant, and say, Give up him who smiteth his brother, and we put him to death for the life of his brother whom he hath slain, and we destroy also the heir; and they have quenched my coal which is left -- so as not to set to my husband a name and remnant on the face of the ground.'
8 And the king saith unto the woman, `Go to thine house, and I give charge concerning thee.'
9 And the woman of Tekoah saith unto the king, `On me, my lord, O king, [is] the iniquity, and on the house of my father; and the king and his throne [are] innocent.'
10 And the king saith, `He who speaketh [aught] unto thee, and thou hast brought him unto me, then he doth not add any more to come against thee.'
11 And she saith, `Let, I pray thee, the king remember by Jehovah thy God, that the redeemer of blood add not to destroy, and they destroy not my son;' and he saith, `Jehovah liveth; if there doth fall of the hair of thy son to the earth.'
12 And the woman saith, `Let, I pray thee, thy maid-servant speak unto my lord the king a word;' and he saith, `Speak.'
13 And the woman saith, `And why hast thou thought thus concerning the people of God? yea, the king is speaking this thing as a guilty one, in that the king hath not brought back his outcast;
14 for we do surely die, and [are] as water which is running down to the earth, which is not gathered, and God doth not accept a person, and hath devised devices in that the outcast is not outcast by Him.
15 `And now that I have come to speak unto the king my lord this word, [it is] because the people made me afraid, and thy maid-servant saith, Let me speak, I pray thee, unto the king; it may be the king doth do the word of his handmaid,
16 for the king doth hearken to deliver his handmaid out of the paw of the man [seeking] to destroy me and my son together out of the inheritance of God,
17 and thy maid-servant saith, Let, I pray thee, the word of my lord the king be for ease; for as a messenger of God so [is] my lord the king, to understand the good and the evil; and Jehovah thy God is with thee.'
18 And the king answereth and saith unto the woman, `Do not, I pray thee, hide from me the thing that I am asking thee;' and the woman saith, `Let, I pray thee, my lord the king speak.'
19 And the king saith, `Is the hand of Joab with thee in all this?' And the woman answereth and saith, `Thy soul liveth, my lord, O king, none [doth turn] to the right or to the left from all that my lord the king hath spoken; for thy servant Joab he commanded me, and he put in the mouth of thy maid-servant all these words;
20 in order to bring round the appearance of the thing hath thy servant Joab done this thing, and my lord [is] wise, according to the wisdom of a messenger of God, to know all that [is] in the land.'
21 And the king saith unto Joab, `Lo, I pray thee, thou hast done this thing; and go, bring back the young man Absalom.'
22 And Joab falleth on his face to the earth, and doth obeisance, and blesseth the king, and Joab saith, `To-day hath thy servant known that I have found grace in thine eyes, my lord, O king, in that the king hath done the word of his servant.'
23 And Joab riseth and goeth to Geshur, and bringeth in Absalom to Jerusalem,
24 and the king saith, `Let him turn round unto his house, and my face he doth not see.' And Absalom turneth round unto his house, and the face of the king he hath not seen.
25 And like Absalom there was no man [so] fair in all Israel, to praise greatly; from the sole of his foot even unto his crown there was no blemish in him;
26 and in his polling his head -- and it hath been at the end of year by year that he polleth [it], for it [is] heavy on him, and he hath polled it -- he hath even weighed out the hair of his head -- two hundred shekels by the king's weight.
27 And there are born to Absalom three sons, and one daughter, and her name [is] Tamar; she was a woman of a fair appearance.
28 And Absalom dwelleth in Jerusalem two years of days, and the face of the king he hath not seen;
29 and Absalom sendeth unto Joab, to send him unto the king, and he hath not been willing to come unto him; and he sendeth again a second time, and he hath not been willing to come.
30 And he saith unto his servants, `See, the portion of Joab [is] by the side of mine, and he hath barley there; go, and burn it with fire;' and the servants of Absalom burn the portion with fire.
31 And Joab riseth and cometh unto Absalom in the house, and saith unto him, `Why have thy servants burned the portion that I have with fire?'
32 And Absalom saith unto Joab, `Lo, I sent unto thee, saying, Come hither, and I send thee unto the king to say, Why have I come in from Geshur? -- good for me while I [am] there -- and now, let me see the king's face, and if there is in me iniquity then thou hast put me to death.'
33 And Joab cometh unto the king, and declareth [it] to him, and he calleth unto Absalom, and he cometh unto the king, and boweth himself to him, on his face, to the earth, before the king, and the king giveth a kiss to Absalom.
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LittleNipper wrote:I can see I will get nowhere with you. You make no real sense. You claim that Conservative Christians had so much power that they controlled the courts. And yet the schools remain without open prayer and there is no encouraged Bible reading in public education. Christmas holiday is still called Winter break and Easter Holiday is still called Spring Break. You are merely trying your utmost to discredit Conservative Christians, so that you can press such agendas as gay marriage and not feel presumptuous. You are a very readable sort of individual and unless you find the Lord Jesus Christ, you will remain in pursuit of the dark. I will move on now, even if you cannot...........................................
That's really too bad, Nipper. Because I was hoping you'd tell me more about your theory that Secular Humanists tricked Conservative Christians (like you) into spreading rumors of a world-wide Satanic conspiracy as part of clever strategy to ban prayer from public schools:
This is obviously the result of the exclusion of encouraged Bible reading, promotion of prayer, and the prohibition of open thoughts of God from public institutions. Not the fault of Christian thinking or worship at all. The Bible clearly teaches that lying is a sin and not a virtue. Humanist practice the rationalization of deeds. The Bible teaches that the means justifies the ends (one will reap what one sows). Humanism teaches that the ends justifies the means (do what you need to, in order to reach the goal). So, if one needs to lie against one's neighbor to put them in jail because one thinks that person is a danger, humanists might just agree. The Bible clearly states that false accusers should now receive the same punishment they would cause others to bear. Will the humanists demand that? I think not.
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I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
2 Samuel 15:1-37 Absalom buys a chariot and horses, and hired 50 bodyguards to run ahead of him. He gets up early every morning going out to the gate of the city. When people bring a case to the king for judgment, Absalom (playing the politician) would ask where in Israel they were from, and they would tell him their tribe. Then Absalom would say, “You’ve really got a strong case here! It’s too bad the king doesn’t have anyone to hear it. I wish I were the judge. Then everyone could bring their cases to me for judgment, and I would give them justice!” When people tried to bow before him, Absalom wouldn’t let them. Instead, he took them by the hand and kissed them. Absalom did this with everyone who came to the king for judgment, and so he stole the hearts of all the people of Israel.
After four years, Absalom asked the king to let him go to Hebron to offer a sacrifice to the Lord and fulfill a vow to him. For while your servant was at Geshur in Aram, Absalom SAYS he promised to sacrifice to the Lord in Hebron if he would bring him back to Jerusalem.
“All right,” the king told him. “Go and fulfill your vow.” Absalom went to Hebron. But while he was there, he sent secret messengers to all the tribes of Israel to stir up rebellion against the king. “As soon as you hear the ram’s horn,” his message read, “you are to say, ‘Absalom has been crowned king in Hebron.’” He took 200 men from Jerusalem with him as guests, but they knew nothing of his intentions. While Absalom was offering the sacrifices, he sent for Ahithophel, one of David’s counselors who lived in Giloh. Soon many others also joined Absalom, and the conspiracy gained momentum.
A messenger soon arrived in Jerusalem to tell David, “All Israel has joined Absalom in a conspiracy against you!” “Then we must flee at once, or it will be too late!” David urged his men. “Hurry! If we get out of the city before Absalom arrives, both we and the city of Jerusalem will be spared from disaster.”
“We are with you,” his advisers replied. “Do what you think is best.” So the king and all his household set out at once. He left no one behind except ten of his concubines to look after the palace. The king and all his people set out on foot, pausing at the last house to let all the king’s men move past to lead the way. There were 600 men from Gath who had come with David, along with the king’s bodyguard.
The king turned and said to Ittai, a leader of the men from Gath, “Why are you coming with us? Go on back to King Absalom, for you are a guest in Israel, a foreigner in exile. You arrived only recently, and should I force you today to wander with us? I don’t even know where we will go. Go on back and take your kinsmen with you, and may the Lord show you his unfailing love and faithfulness.”
Ittai said to the king, “I vow by the Lord and by your own life that I will go wherever my lord the king goes, no matter what happens—whether it means life or death.” David replied, “All right, come with us.” So Ittai and all his men and their families went along. They crossed the Kidron Valley and then went out toward the wilderness.
Zadok and all the Levites also came along, carrying the Ark of the Covenant of God. They set down the Ark of God, and Abiathar offered sacrifices until everyone had passed out of the city.
Then the king instructed Zadok to take the Ark of God back into the city. “If the Lord sees fit,” David said, “he will bring me back to see the Ark and the Tabernacle again. But if he is through with me, then let him do what seems best to him.” The king also told Zadok the priest, “Look, here is my plan. You and Abiathar[h] should return quietly to the city with your son Ahimaaz and Abiathar’s son Jonathan. I will stop at the shallows of the Jordan River and wait there for a report from you.” So Zadok and Abiathar took the Ark of God back to the city and stayed there. David walked up the road to the Mount of Olives, weeping as he went. His head was covered and his feet were bare as a sign of mourning. And the people who were with him covered their heads and wept as they climbed the hill. When someone told David that his adviser Ahithophel was now backing Absalom, David prayed, “O Lord, let Ahithophel give Absalom foolish advice!”
David reached the summit of the Mount of Olives where people worshiped God, Hushai the Arkite was waiting there for him. Hushai had torn his clothing and put dirt on his head as a sign of mourning. David told him, “If you go with me, you will only be a burden. Return to Jerusalem and tell Absalom, ‘I will now be your adviser, O king, just as I was your father’s adviser in the past.’ Then you can frustrate and counter Ahithophel’s advice. Zadok and Abiathar, the priests, will be there. Tell them about the plans being made in the king’s palace, and they will send their sons Ahimaaz and Jonathan to tell me what is going on.”
So David’s friend Hushai returned to Jerusalem, just as Absalom arrived.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And it cometh to pass afterwards, that Absalom prepareth for himself a chariot, and horses, and fifty men are running before him;
2 and Absalom hath risen early, and stood by the side of the way of the gate, and it cometh to pass, every man who hath a pleading to come unto the king for judgment, that Absalom calleth unto him, and saith, `Of what city [art] thou?' and he saith, `Of one of the tribes of Israel [is] thy servant.'
3 And Absalom saith unto him, `See, thy matters [are] good and straightforward -- and there is none hearkening to thee from the king.'
4 And Absalom saith, `Who doth make me a judge in the land, that unto me doth come every man who hath a plea and judgment? -- then I have declared him righteous.'
5 And it hath come to pass, in the drawing nearing of any one to bow himself to him, that he hath put forth his hand, and laid hold on him, and given a kiss to him;
6 and Absalom doth according to this thing to all Israel who come in for judgment unto the king, and Absalom stealeth the heart of the men of Israel.
7 And it cometh to pass, at the end of forty years, that Absalom saith unto the king, `Let me go, I pray thee, and I complete my vow, that I vowed to Jehovah in Hebron,
8 for a vow hath thy servant vowed in my dwelling in Geshur, in Aram, saying, If Jehovah doth certainly bring me back to Jerusalem, then I have served Jehovah.'
9 And the king saith to him, `Go in peace;' and he riseth and goeth to Hebron,
10 and Absalom sendeth spies through all the tribes of Israel, saying, `At your hearing the voice of the trumpet, then ye have said, Absalom hath reigned in Hebron.'
11 And with Absalom have gone two hundred men, out of Jerusalem, invited ones, and they are going in their simplicity, and have not known anything;
12 and Absalom sendeth Ahithophel the Gilonite, a counsellor of David, out of his city, out of Gilo, in his sacrificing sacrifices; and the conspiracy is strong, and the people are going and increasing with Absalom.
13 And he who is declaring tidings cometh in unto David, saying, `The heart of the men of Israel hath been after Absalom.'
14 And David saith to all his servants who [are] with him in Jerusalem, `Rise, and we flee, for we have no escape from the face of Absalom; haste to go, lest he hasten, and have overtaken us, and forced on us evil, and smitten the city by the mouth of the sword.'
15 And the servants of the king say unto the king, `According to all that my lord the king chooseth -- lo, thy servants [do].'
16 And the king goeth out, and all his household at his feet, and the king leaveth ten women -- concubines -- to keep the house.
17 And the king goeth out, and all the people at his feet, and they stand still at the farthest off house.
18 And all his servants are passing on at his side, and all the Cherethite, and all the Pelethite, and all the Gittites, six hundred men who came at his feet from Gath, are passing on at the front of the king.
19 And the king saith unto Ittai the Gittite, `Why dost thou go -- thou also -- with us? turn back -- and abide with the king, for thou [art] a stranger, and also an exile thou -- to thy place.
20 Yesterday [is] thy coming in, and to-day I move thee to go with us, and I am going on that which I am going! -- turn back, and take back thy brethren with thee, -- kindness and truth.'
21 And Ittai answereth the king and saith, `Jehovah liveth, and my lord the king liveth, surely in the place where my lord the king is -- if for death, if for life, surely there is thy servant.'
22 And David saith unto Ittai, `Go and pass over;' and Ittai the Gittite passeth over, and all his men, and all the infants who [are] with him.
23 And all the land are weeping -- a great voice, and all the people are passing over; and the king is passing over through the brook Kidron, and all the people are passing over on the front of the way of the wilderness;
24 and lo, also Zadok, and all the Levites with him, bearing the ark of the covenant of God, and they make the ark of God firm, and Abiathar goeth up, till the completion of all the people to pass over out of the city.
25 And the king saith to Zadok, `Take back the ark of God to the city; if I find grace in the eyes of Jehovah, then He hath brought me back, and shewn me it and His habitation;
26 and if thus He say, I have not delighted in thee; here [am] I, He doth to me as [is] good in His eyes.'
27 And the king saith unto Zadok the priest, `Art thou a seer? turn back to the city in peace, and Ahimaaz thy son, and Jonathan son of Abiathar, your two sons with you;
28 see ye, I am tarrying in the plains of the wilderness till the coming in of a word from you to declare to me.'
29 And Zadok taketh back -- and Abiathar -- the ark of God to Jerusalem, and they abide there.
30 And David is going up in the ascent of the olives, going up and weeping, and he hath the head covered, and he is going barefooted, and all the people who [are] with him have covered each his head, and have gone up, going up and weeping;
31 and David declared, saying, `Ahithophel [is] among the conspirators with Absalom;' and David saith, `Make foolish, I pray Thee, the counsel of Ahithophel, O Jehovah.'
32 And it cometh to pass, David hath come unto the top, where he boweth himself to God, and lo, to meet him [is] Hushai the Archite, his coat rent, and earth on his head;
33 and David saith to him, `If thou hast passed on with me then thou hast been on me for a burden,
34 and if to the city thou dost turn back, and hast said to Absalom, Thy servant I am, O king; servant of thy father I [am] also hitherto, and now, I [am] also thy servant; then thou hast made void for me the counsel of Ahithophel;
35 and are there not with thee there Zadok and Abiathar the priests? and it hath been, the whole of the matter that thou hearest from the house of the king thou dost declare to Zadok and to Abiathar the priests.
36 Lo, there with them [are] their two sons, Ahimaaz to Zadok, and Jonathan to Abiathar, and ye have sent by their hand unto me anything that ye hear.'
37 And Hushai, David's friend, cometh in to the city, and Absalom cometh in to Jerusalem.
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It has been the popular misconception that Satanists practice human sacrifice. There has, however, never been a clarification of the method used for sacrifice, or of the reasons for which a Satanist would resort to this. When we sacrifice a person in a Satanic ritual, we do not slaughter him on the altar in a physical manner. We simply direct our hate forces towards the deserving recipient. You must never direct a curse toward a person unless you are prepared for the ultimate consequences.
There is no such thing as a mild curse. If a curse is to be effective, you must feel the maximum in disdain and hatred for the recipient. By sending these hate forces forth, we ensure suffering on the part of the person who has dealt us an injustice. It can only be left to the victim’s environmental conditions to decide what form our retribution will take, and a measure of the person’s rottenness as to the degree he will suffer.
If the recipient of the curse has redeeming qualities of sufficient amounts, then he will not only be saved but will be rehabilitated into a more worthwhile person as a result of the curse.
Therefore you cannot perform a working of this type and specify that you want the person to suffer only a broken arm or mild illness. You must realize that death may be the final outcome of a magical working of this nature.
The Satanic Church feels that forcing oneself to feel indiscriminate love for all is very unnatural. There has never been any great love movement in the history of the world that has not wound up killing countless numbers of people to prove, we must assume, how much they loved them. Every hypocrite that ever walked the earth has had pockets bulging with love! You cannot love everyone, and by trying to you only lessen your feelings for the people who deserve your love. Repressed hate can lead to many physical ailments. For this reason you must periodically perform a hate ritual to rid yourself of this bottled‐up hate. By choosing a deserving target for your hate forces, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions and are free to give your loved ones full benefit of your emotions without being concerned that you may be, at times, taking your pent‐up hatred out on them.
There is a definite period of the day when a person is in a more receptive state than during other times. Assuming that the person regularly sleeps for eight hours, the receptive state comes in the last two hours or so before awakening. This has been established as the period of time in which the person has the dreams he can recall most easily. This is due to the fact that the person’s body has completed its required rest; but the slow rate of metabolism keeps it dormant for a short time afterwards, producing the most receptive time during total sleep. This is when we receive some of our most fruitful ideas. It is the twilight period between sleep and waking. A person’s subconscious is at its most active point during this period of time. It is during this period that a telepathic communication would have the best chance of being received. To be most effective, therefore, your magical working should be performed during this twilight period.
There are many herbs and spices which are used in ritual magic. The most common ingredient used in love potions is mandrake root. Just as most acts which are considered evil are within the law, so some of the most effective ingredients used in potions can be legally obtained. There is no need to resort to popular and/or illegal drugs for any magical purpose.
The magical language used in Satanic ritual is Enochian. Enochian is a language which is thought to be older than Sanskrit, with a sound grammatical and syntactical basis. It was developed into a practical translation, which is its current form, by Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers. In Enochian the meaning of the words, combined with the quality of the words, unite to create a pattern of sound which can cause tremendous reaction in the atmosphere. The barbaric tonal qualities of this language give it a truly magical effect which cannot be described.
It is thought by most that all Satanic rituals are in the form of the Black Mass. This is a misconception. Most Satanic rituals have nothing in them which would be considered sacrilegious to another religion. One of the reasons a Black Mass would be performed in the Satanic Church would be to remove a stigma attached to the activities of one or several members. If a person feels bound or stifled by a previous religion, a Black Mass would be performed to enable him to completely divorce himself from the limiting factors of that past religion.
A Black Mass consists of such things as saying the Lord’s Prayer backwards— interspersed with obscenities, trampling the cross underfoot or hanging it upside‐down, desecration of the wafer or host, and similar forms of defilement or parody of the sacred cows which make the religion a threat to the person involved. By reducing the awesomeness of the religion to ridiculousness, we remove its fearsomeness.
The only other circumstance in which a Black Mass would be performed would be one in which another religion had directly attacked the Satanic Church. To perform a Black Mass just for its shock value would serve no useful purpose. The Christian religion is no threat to the Satanist. One might say that the Devil has kept all the religions on earth in business for many, many years. If it were not for these religions which he has allowed to flourish, Satan could not come forth now and establish his organized church, built on the very episcopacy and structure of the existing religions.
Satanism is taken up by most people not out of protest, but out of logic. Therefore the debasement of their previous religions is unnecessary. There are many sacred cows in our current society which warrant protest as much if not more than the Christian religion. A modern‐day form of the Black Mass might consist of such things as urinating on marijuana, crushing an LSD sugar cube under foot, hanging a picture of Timothy Leary or a famous Indian guru upside‐down, exposing the parallel between the Hippie generation and the “emperor’s new clothes.” These things would be far more effective to the magical workings of a Satanist than a typical Black Mass.
The results of a magical working will start to manifest themselves within thirty‐six hours from the time the ritual was performed. Once the magical working has been performed, you must push all thoughts of hope or anxiety from your mind. You have released your emotions and sent them out into the ether, where they can effect your desired results. After this there is nothing left to do but sit back and wait for the results. Anxiety only acts to lessen the effectiveness of your working.
The Satanic ritual is not always confined to sinister or occult surroundings. The true magician is adept at turning any situation he encounters into a magical working. He can manipulate his surroundings to his best advantage.
A ritual which is performed for the sake of reducing an awesome figure to a ridiculous state is called a Shibboleth ritual. In this type of ritual each of the participants chooses a pillar of society or a type of person who is particularly awesome or irritating to him. Each then dresses in the costume of the chosen victim. For about an hour all participants communicate with one another, all the while acting out in parody what would be the actions of the persons portrayed.
After this psychodrama has been performed, a sort of kangaroo court is held, and the person acting as Priest for the ritual takes the role of Satan. In the form of Satan he questions each person individually. Each participant answers Satan’s questions in the manner in which his chosen character would answer them. Through the favorite tools of the Devil, wile and guile, Satan exposes the character for what he is. He talks him into selling his soul to the Devil, utilizing things which are sacred cows to the shibboleth for the purpose of disguising his tactics.
In a ritual such as this, the purpose is to ridicule the shibboleth. In this way he will no longer be awesome to the person who has suffered in some way by his actions. The situation in which the Satanist comes in contact with the shibboleth may be one in which he is forced to treat him in a civil or even respectful manner, but once the ritual has been performed, the Satanist can laugh up his sleeve at the person. The shibboleth will sense that he is being patronized and will no longer feel that he is capable of wielding the power that he once did over the Satanist.
Part III: Magic as Practiced by the Satanic Church
There are many facets of magic that can be learned only through experience. A magus is one who has become adept in the field of ritual magic. There are many scholars of magic who are not capable of putting the theories which they have learned into practice. Others may have very little formal training in magic but may have a natural ability to utilize the Powers of Darkness. Knowledge can be a powerful tool, but without the common sense to put this knowledge into practice, it is useless. Animals and small children are the most natural magicians. They have had little or no formal training and yet are adept at bending people and situations to their will. The Satanist regards these small beings as sacred and realizes that he can learn much from them.
The Satanic Church is different from all other witchcraft or magical groups in the world today. It is unlike the white magical groups, such as those in which the powers of magic are supposedly used only for altruistic purposes. Nor is it a primitive group of cannibals whose membership is made up of uneducated people. The Satanic Church is the first organization of its kind whose membership consists largely of responsible, respectable people. Only by limiting our membership to individuals of this variety, rather than appealing to the lunatic fringe, can we be certain of becoming the strongest power structure in the world. Therefore membership in the Satanic Church is not open to everyone. Unlike other religions in which you go to church to become a worthwhile person, in the Satanic religion you must be a worthy person before you can come into church. Once in the Church, you can reap the rewards which you deserve. The Satanic Church has too much to offer to afford membership to people who are only seeking sensationalism or are of a personality makeup that would reflect upon the Satanic religion in an unfavorable way.
The Satanic Church looks with disdain upon white witchcraft groups, as we feel that altruism is sinning on the lay‐away plan. It is unnatural not to have the desire to gain things for yourself. This does not mean that you never do anything for anyone else. If you do something to make someone for whom you care happy, his happiness will give you a sense of gratification. We practice a modified form of the Golden Rule. Our interpretation of this rule is: “Do unto others as they do unto you.” If you “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” and they in turn treat you badly, it goes against human nature to continue to treat such people with consideration. You may do unto others as you would have them do unto you; but if your kindness is not returned, they should be treated with the wrath they deserve.
White witchcraft groups spout the theory that, if you curse a person, it will “return to you three‐fold”, “come home to roost,” or in some way “boomerang back to the curser.” This is yet another indication of the guilt‐ridden philosophy held by these neo‐pagan, pseudo-Christian groups. These people want to delve into witchcraft but cannot divorce themselves from the stigma attached to it. Therefore they call themselves white magicians and base seventy‐five percent of their philosophy on the trite and hackneyed tenets of Christianity.
3 And there was seen another sign in the heaven, and, lo, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his head seven diadems,
4 and his tail doth draw the third of the stars of the heaven, and he did cast them to the earth; and the dragon did stand before the woman who is about to bring forth, that when she may bring forth, her child he may devour;