Is hell enough as punishment?

[_Themis]

the same thing that is apparently misunderstood when someone like Nipper gives the same statement about God.

I see you really don't comprehend the difference. He is stating something he doesn't know as true, where TEA is stating something he does know, and you know that he would know. It is considered evidence. I don't think it rises to proof, but I gave a situation in which it would be proof.

[_Bazooka]

the same thing that is apparently misunderstood when someone like Nipper gives the same statement about God.

I see you really don't comprehend the difference. He is stating something he doesn't know as true, where TEA is stating something he does know, and you know that he would know. It is considered evidence. I don't think it rises to proof, but I gave a situation in which it would be proof.

We could make it even worse for subby.
TEA could PM 8 of us with the number he is thinking of.
Subby can then pronounce what he is inspired to say TEA's number is and the 8 can corroborate wether he was right or wrong.
You believe something when 8 witnesses testify of it, right subby?

[_Gunnar]

I didn't miss the point. Of course it is possible that TEA might have chosen to lie about what number he was thinking of, but the fact remains that if one wanted to find out what number he was thinking of, he would be the one to ask about that--not you! What you claim is the number he was thinking of is totally irrelevant and has not the slightest bit of credibility!

yet the thread shows that TEA asked me for the number TEA was thinking of.
and
that
number
was


4

TEA's obvious denial now is due to the skepticism TEA was so deeply entrenched within when asking me.

Nevertheless, TEA cannot provide evidence for the number being thought of....yet TEA claims this "thought" was true.....and TEA, and others, insists upon evidence for things to actually be true.

I'm sorry, but that response makes not the slightest bit of sense and only further discredits you, not TEA. The fact still remains that TEA would be regarded by any reasonable person as a more reliable witness of what number he was thinking of than anyone else, especially you! While his mere statement that he was thinking of a particular number would not be as conclusive as if he had actually written down the number before stating it, it would be far more compelling evidence of what that number was than what anyone else would claim it was.

[Guest]

We could make it even worse for subby.
TEA could PM 8 of us with the number he is thinking of.
Subby can then pronounce what he is inspired to say TEA's number is and the 8 can corroborate wether he was right or wrong.
You believe something when 8 witnesses testify of it, right subby?

I like that idea, but I suspect that if we did that, subby would only ask us to prove that TEA and the 8 people he PMed were not conspiring to deceive him. It has become increasingly obvious to me that subby is constitutionally incapable of admitting being wrong about anything he dearly wants to believe, no matter what or how damning the evidence. Would 11 witnesses be better? I doubt it. Obviously subby has a double standard concerning the credibility of witnesses. Only those who corroborate what he already believes count, as far as he is concerned.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

for what it's worth, Subby seems to have stopped responding to my posts. I don't think he wants to play with me any more.

[_LittleNipper]

Can I interpret this to mean that if I accept "all" of the Bible that I will then be able to conclude the Earth is round and not flat?

Exactly where does the Bible discuss the general shape of the Earth?

Matthew 4:8 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

And the Devil having brought him up to an high mountain, shewed to him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time,
- Youngs Literal Bible
The devil lead Jesus up a mountain and from there the Devil conjured up a vision of all the kingdoms around the world in a limited amount of time.
(Here, the importance is what is being shown to Jesus and why.)
And after these events, John saw four messengers standing one in the North, one in the south, one in the East and one in the West. and they four stopped all the wind everywhere so that everything became quiet and still.
(Here, the importance is the sign that is going to occur.)

[_Bazooka]

Obviously subby has a double standard concerning the credibility of witnesses. Only those who corroborate what he already believes count, as far as he is concerned.

That was exactly my point.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Matthew 4:8 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

And the Devil having brought him up to an high mountain, shewed to him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time,
- Youngs Literal Bible
The devil lead Jesus up a mountain and from there the Devil conjured up a vision of all the kingdoms around the world in a limited amount of time.
(Here, the importance is what is being shown to Jesus and why.)
And after these events, John saw four messengers standing one in the North, one in the south, one in the East and one in the West. and they four stopped all the wind everywhere so that everything became quiet and still.
(Here, the importance is the sign that is going to occur.)

Ludwig, I think what Little Nipper is trying to tell us is that the Earth was round during Old Testament times, but it became flat during New testament times.

[_ludwigm]

Ludwig, I think what Little Nipper is trying to tell us is that the Earth was round during Old Testament times, but it became flat during New testament times.

I think LittleNipper is trying to cheat us:

- Youngs Literal Bible
The devil lead Jesus up a mountain and from there the Devil conjured up a vision of all the kingdoms around the world in a limited amount of time.
(Here, the importance is what is being shown to Jesus and why.)

1. Is "dot shew" = "conjured up a vision" ? LittleNipper has learned a lot from mopologists...
2. Around? AROUND?? No such word in YLT

YLT Matt 4:8 Again doth the Devil take him to a very high mount, and doth shew to him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them,

Only a surface of a plane or a hollow earth can be seen as a whole.
. . .

- Youngs Literal Bible
And after these events, John saw four messengers standing one in the North, one in the south, one in the East and one in the West. and they four stopped all the wind everywhere so that everything became quiet and still.
(Here, the importance is the sign that is going to occur.)

For us, in this case, the importance is the expression four corners. Globes don't have corners.
YLT Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four messengers, standing upon the four corners of the land, holding the four winds of the land, that the wind may not blow upon the land, nor upon the sea, nor upon any tree;

Or is this the case?


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[Guest]

And the Devil having brought him up to an high mountain, shewed to him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time,
- Youngs Literal Bible
The devil lead Jesus up a mountain and from there the Devil conjured up a vision of all the kingdoms around the world in a limited amount of time.
(Here, the importance is what is being shown to Jesus and why.)
And after these events, John saw four messengers standing one in the North, one in the south, one in the East and one in the West. and they four stopped all the wind everywhere so that everything became quiet and still.
(Here, the importance is the sign that is going to occur.)

Ludwig, I think what Little Nipper is trying to tell us is that the Earth was round during Old Testament times, but it became flat during New testament times.

No, what LittleNipper is trying to get you to reveal is that you know right well what God is clearly revealing. You understood it as a child. When someone talks about the four corners of the earth, he is saying EVERYWHERE on the planet. He isn't describing a block. The Bible says the earth appears as a circle floating in space. If you are going to spend your entire life trying to misdirect the truth to make yourself appear as some intelligent individual, you are going to miss the blessings of getting to know the Savior.