Bible verse by verse

[_maklelan]

They are signatures of the Flood.

They are no such thing. The flood entirely precluded by all physical evidence. They are only signatures for people who don't understand the science.

[_LittleNipper]

When a person turns his life over to God --- God begins a lifetime work in applying and shaping character traits for the good. Things that people see as flaws, then become positive attributes. We have all the characters in the Bible demonstrating exactly how turning to God motivated such to goodness, and following one's own goals often leads to bad choices, evil behavior, selfish pride and arrogance. See Pharaoh, Ahab, and Hamon. Then see Joseph, David Ruth, Esther.

Would you call the willingness of certain Christians to engage in pious fraud a "positive attribute"?

Do you mean Joseph Smith or Barrack Obama?

[_LittleNipper]

They are signatures of the Flood.

They are no such thing. The flood entirely precluded by all physical evidence. They are only signatures for people who don't understand the science.

Scientific interpretation is only correct if one is honest with all the data. Unfortunately, atheists tend not to be honest, but calculated.

[_LittleNipper]

Please see: http://www.kjvbible.org/greenland_ice_sheet.html

http://www.icr.org/geological-strata/

http://thefreepressonline.co.uk/news/3/257.htm

[_maklelan]

Please see: http://www.kjvbible.org/greenland_ice_sheet.html

http://www.icr.org/geological-strata/

http://thefreepressonline.co.uk/news/3/257.htm

As I stated, these things are only evidence for people who don't understand the science. For instance, one of your articles states the following:

Granular, water-charged sediment flows result in very rapid stratification. Dilute flows produce thick sequences of plane beds, graded beds, and crossbeds by sustained unidirectional flow. Such flows also produce thick sequences of hummocky beds by sustained bidirectional flow.

Concentrated sediment flows produce thick strata sequences by abrupt deposition from liquefied suspension or evenly bedded strata by flow transformation to a tractive current.

These and many other obvious processes are leading many geologists to construct a global flood model for earth history.

And this is pure and utter nonsense. The sediment strata show long periods of calm. There are footprints. There are floral prints. There are erosion marks. Rapid stratification is just utter nonsense, and no one with even an undergraduate level understanding of geology can know the evidence and honestly think there is any actual evidence for the flood. There are also not "many geologists" constructing a global flood model. That's pure and utter BS. One final time: no one who understands the science can look at the evidence and honestly take the deluge tradition seriously. Full stop.

[_maklelan]

Scientific interpretation is only correct if one is honest with all the data.

You're exactly right, which is why YEC proponents are always shown to be either dismally uneducated or to be ignoring the vast majority of the evidence.

[_Bazooka]

Scientific interpretation is only correct if one is honest with all the data.

You're exactly right, which is why YEC proponents are always shown to be either dismally uneducated or to be ignoring the vast majority of the evidence.

Maklelan, I assume therefore that you don't subscribe to the chronology used in the Church that puts the fall of Adam at circa 4,000 BCE and the global flood of noah at circa 2,300BCE?

[_maklelan]

Maklelan, I assume therefore that you don't subscribe to the chronology used in the Church that puts the fall of Adam at circa 4,000 BCE and the global flood of noah at circa 2,300BCE?

You are correct.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Would you call the willingness of certain Christians to engage in pious fraud a "positive attribute"?

Do you mean Joseph Smith or Barrack Obama?

No, I don't, because A) it's clear you don't consider Joseph Smith to be a Christian, and B) while Barrack Obama may indeed be involved in a certain degree of political fraud, he's not involved in any pious fraud that I'm aware of.

Do you consider it to be a "positive attribute" when a Christian is willing to engage in pious fraud?

[_Bazooka]

Maklelan, I assume therefore that you don't subscribe to the chronology used in the Church that puts the fall of Adam at circa 4,000 BCE and the global flood of noah at circa 2,300BCE?

You are correct.

It occurs to me that the doctrine of a Global, Literal flood taking place circa 2,300BCE is a pretty fundamental teaching of the Church.
Your lack of acceptance of this teaching seems to place you somewhere on the spectrum of apostasy (and I'm really not trying to offend or deliberately provoke you).
Is there some official clarity on what does or what does not constitute something that is so fundamental that not believing it marks you out as an apostate?