Creedal Trinity misunderstood by LDS

[_subgenius]

I don't know where you came up with that Idea! The ark was literal.

What about the submarines in the Book of Mormon ?

One Christian asked about the account of submarines in the Book of Mormon, and I thought I'd put up this in response. The story of the Jaredite subs is found in the Book of Ether in the Book of Mormon.

In regard to the Book of Mormon account of the Jaredite subs, one former Mormon who is also a scholar, has written:

"Despite taking a number of classes, reading many books, and attending a workshop at San Francisco State University on critical thinking, I somehow never applied logic nor critical thinking to my religion! It was as though I had a switch in my brain that was able to apply critical thinking to almost everything else but then shut itself off when it came to religion.

For example, how could I have ever taken seriously the Book of Mormon story about the Jaredites building 8 wooden submarines with a "stoppable hole" in the top and bottom. These submarines (the length of a tree) were then filled with Jaredite "flocks and herds" and presumably enough food and fresh water to last 344 days at sea! (Ether 6:2-12) And what about human and animal needs for fresh air and sunlight? Since these submarines were under the water much of the time, the "stoppable holes" would have to stay shut. What about human and animal excrement? Even a few days in one of these underwater stockyards would have been fatal for both humans and animals! " (Arza Evans)

http://www.exmormonscholarstestify.org/arza-evans.html)

Frankly, critical thinking doesn't seem to abound among Mormons. The submarine story has to be one of the most ludicrous found in the Book of Mormon, along with the cumoms and cureloms, and Nephite chariots and steel swords! You'd think that educated people would take a clue!

you should read the scriptures you cite instead of focusing so much on being a
Troll

"they were many times buried in the depths of the sea, because of the mountain waves which broke upon them, and also the great and terrible tempests which were caused by the fierceness of the wind.....their vessels being tight like unto a dish, and also they were tight like unto the ark of Noah"

[_Drifting]

Jaredite barge exercise.

Take a blank piece of paper and a pencil.
Then, reading through the scriptures draw a boat using the description it gives.
Then, populate your drawing with the people and animals that are described as being contained within each boat.
Then imagine yourself within this boat with the amount of animals described.
Then imagine that this environment is completely water tight.
Then realise that, because it is water tight it is also air tight.
Then visualise the food required for both man and animal to last the year.
Then visualise the amount of excrement for both man and animal produced during that year.
Then visualise the boat plunging up and down upon the waves with all the people, the animals, the food, the excrement.
Then imagine the type of air that you would be breathing in this water tight, air tight, food filled, body odour filled, methane filled, pooh filled boat.
Then imagine this boat being flipped over from time to time so the bottom becomes the top and visa versa.
Then imagine spending a year in that environment.
Then...when I snap my fingers...you will wake up...

Seriously - do the exercise whilst reading the description in the Book of Mormon.

[_PrickKicker]

Sub I am worried for you, you seem to have developed turrets syndrome.

On several posts recently you have blurted the word TROLL! where is has no reference could you explain yourself?

[_subgenius]

Sub I am worried for you, you seem to have developed turrets syndrome.

On several posts recently you have blurted the word TROLL! where is has no reference could you explain yourself?

its Tourette, and i calls em likes i sees em

Troll

[_subgenius]

Jaredite barge exercise.

Take a blank piece of paper and a pencil.
Then, reading through the scriptures draw a boat using the description it gives.
Then, populate your drawing with the people and animals that are described as being contained within each boat.
Then imagine yourself within this boat with the amount of animals described.
Then imagine that this environment is completely water tight.
Then realise that, because it is water tight it is also air tight.
Then visualise the food required for both man and animal to last the year.
Then visualise the amount of excrement for both man and animal produced during that year.
Then visualise the boat plunging up and down upon the waves with all the people, the animals, the food, the excrement.
Then imagine the type of air that you would be breathing in this water tight, air tight, food filled, body odour filled, methane filled, pooh filled boat.
Then imagine this boat being flipped over from time to time so the bottom becomes the top and visa versa.
Then imagine spending a year in that environment.

my drawing has operable windows and doors...is that ok? (sorry, operable hatches)

Then...when I snap my fingers...you will wake up...

good, because your post was soporific

[_Drifting]

Jaredite barge exercise.

Take a blank piece of paper and a pencil.
Then, reading through the scriptures draw a boat using the description it gives.
Then, populate your drawing with the people and animals that are described as being contained within each boat.
Then imagine yourself within this boat with the amount of animals described.
Then imagine that this environment is completely water tight.
Then realise that, because it is water tight it is also air tight.
Then visualise the food required for both man and animal to last the year.
Then visualise the amount of excrement for both man and animal produced during that year.
Then visualise the boat plunging up and down upon the waves with all the people, the animals, the food, the excrement.
Then imagine the type of air that you would be breathing in this water tight, air tight, food filled, body odour filled, methane filled, pooh filled boat.
Then imagine this boat being flipped over from time to time so the bottom becomes the top and visa versa.
Then imagine spending a year in that environment.

my drawing has operable windows and doors...is that ok? (sorry, operable hatches)

Then...when I snap my fingers...you will wake up...

good, because your post was soporific

Sorry, scripture specifically says it didn't have windows because the glass (that hadn't yet been invented) would smash.
You can only use what it says in the scriptures. No adding hatches or doors or periscopes etc.

[_PrickKicker]

Sub I am worried for you, you seem to have developed turrets syndrome.

On several posts recently you have blurted the word TROLL! where is has no reference could you explain yourself?

its Tourette, and i calls em likes i sees em

Troll

I guess your definition of a TROLL and my definition of a TROLL are 2 different things and I am sure there's a 3rd children's story book creature.
It's a bit like my definition of God your definition of God. they are spelt the same, they seem the same but there are some big differences.

Your definition of a TROLL is simply because someone writes something you disagree with.
I do not believe that makes them a TROLL.

I use the word TROLL when someone launches a PERSONAL ATTACK on someone else.
For instance name calling, 'minor intellect' calls 'gloves' an 'Ogre.'

I believe the 'minor intellect' is the TROLL in this instance.

Please explain why you have used the word here??? for Mittens

[_subgenius]

Sorry, scripture specifically says it didn't have windows because the glass (that hadn't yet been invented) would smash.
You can only use what it says in the scriptures. No adding hatches or doors or periscopes etc.

but it notes that it was "as Noah's ark", ....so ...what the ark had....

(bte, even you will enjoy this one...figured i would post it before LilNip) - http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm

[_Drifting]

Sorry, scripture specifically says it didn't have windows because the glass (that hadn't yet been invented) would smash.
You can only use what it says in the scriptures. No adding hatches or doors or periscopes etc.

but it notes that it was "as Noah's ark", ....so ...what the ark had....

(bte, even you will enjoy this one...figured i would post it before LilNip) - http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm

Come on subby, you know the story of the ark is just a myth.

[_subgenius]

Troll

I guess your definition of a TROLL and my definition of a TROLL are 2 different things and I am sure there's a 3rd children's story book creature.

i provided a link to the common definition of Troll, when it is used on forums such as this...thus excluding the "3rd" definition.

It's a bit like my definition of God your definition of God. they are spelt the same, they seem the same but there are some big differences.

you think God is a Troll...got it! (that was an homage to Drifting)

Your definition of a TROLL is simply because someone writes something you disagree with.
I do not believe that makes them a TROLL.

nope, see provided link in previous post.

I use the word TROLL when someone launches a PERSONAL ATTACK on someone else.
For instance name calling, 'minor intellect' calls 'gloves' an 'Ogre.'

I believe the 'minor intellect' is the TROLL in this instance.

nice anecdote, but you had already stated that we had different definitions, why tell me yours - do i seem like the person who is going to revise my use of the term to accommodate your preferred use of the term? I felt that the provided link to a "third party" definition might resolve the issue...."for instance", why the dictionary was invented.

Please explain why you have used the word here??? for Mittens

Mittens consistently posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages/threads with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
That recent and noted example by Mittens being an obvious example.