My Favorite (to date) take down of Creationism.

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spotlight wrote:Again Frank you can't use this even if it were true (which it isn't) because you do the same to a greater degree yourself in fabricating your own world view. You failed to find some stuff but went right on ahead and made up a story about it anyhow.


I found stuff all right. It is just personal. And because you can't verify it then you say it does not exist. Can't you see that is the way of all science? Any personal experience is denied. This is why I reject the notion that science seeks truth. Yet for many on the earth science denies their personal experience. Science has lost contact with the human condition. And if you embrace science as the tool to obtain all truth then you have denied the human condition as well.
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Franktalk wrote:
spotlight wrote:Again Frank you can't use this even if it were true (which it isn't) because you do the same to a greater degree yourself in fabricating your own world view. You failed to find some stuff but went right on ahead and made up a story about it anyhow.


I found stuff all right. It is just personal. And because you can't verify it then you say it does not exist. Can't you see that is the way of all science? Any personal experience is denied. This is why I reject the notion that science seeks truth. Yet for many on the earth science denies their personal experience. Science has lost contact with the human condition. And if you embrace science as the tool to obtain all truth then you have denied the human condition as well.


What is the human condition, Frank?
"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
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FrankTalk wrote:Yet for many on the earth science denies their personal experience.


I love this about FrankTalk's posting style. He could have said,"Yet for many science denies their personal experience." Yet Frank found it necessary to specify that this only applies to those of us on the earth. Science apparently does not deny the personal experiences of astronauts. :lol:
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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LittleNipper wrote:All nature reveals GOD!


Some parts of nature are better at it than others.

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Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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spotlight wrote:
FrankTalk wrote:Yet for many on the earth science denies their personal experience.


I love this about FrankTalk's posting style. He could have said,"Yet for many science denies their personal experience." Yet Frank found it necessary to specify that this only applies to those of us on the earth. Science apparently does not deny the personal experiences of astronauts. :lol:


But what about experiences of those under the earth? Surely science does not deny the reality of Deros?
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Franktalk wrote:
spotlight wrote:Again Frank you can't use this even if it were true (which it isn't) because you do the same to a greater degree yourself in fabricating your own world view. You failed to find some stuff but went right on ahead and made up a story about it anyhow.


I found stuff all right. It is just personal. And because you can't verify it then you say it does not exist. Can't you see that is the way of all science? Any personal experience is denied. This is why I reject the notion that science seeks truth. Yet for many on the earth science denies their personal experience. Science has lost contact with the human condition. And if you embrace science as the tool to obtain all truth then you have denied the human condition as well.


So Frank, you accept as true every person's personal experience? Leaders of conflicting religions as well as their followers, everyone who claims to have been abducted by aliens, everyone who claims to have seen bigfoot, and every other claim made under the sun? Really?
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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Maksutov wrote:
spotlight wrote:
I love this about FrankTalk's posting style. He could have said,"Yet for many science denies their personal experience." Yet Frank found it necessary to specify that this only applies to those of us on the earth. Science apparently does not deny the personal experiences of astronauts. :lol:


But what about experiences of those under the earth? Surely science does not deny the reality of Deros?


What about it Frank? This is from the personal experience of Shaver.
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/shaver.html

Do you deny it or accept it? :lol:
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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DrJoshuaDavid Stone wrote:The biggest cover-up of all time is the fact that there is a civilization of people living in the center of Earth, whose civilization's name is known as "Aghartha". This may be hard for some of you to believe. I know it was for me at first, however, I now have an absolute knowingness of the truth of this.

http://www.thenewearth.org/InnerEarth.html

Come on Frank, this is someone's personal experience. Yet you said you did not believe in the hollow earth and chided me for posting that you did. So just like science you are denying someone's personal experience? Blah, blah,...something about the human condition...blah, blah.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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spotlight wrote:
LittleNipper's cut and paste wrote:The truth is, if we consider the absolute amount of genetic material when comparing primates and humans, the 1-2% difference in DNA represents approximately 80 million different nucleotides (compared to the 3-4 billion nucleotides that make up the entire human genome). To help make this number understandable, consider the fact that if evolutionists had to pay you one penny for every nucleotide in that 1-2% difference between the human and the chimp, you would walk away with $800,000. Given those proportions, 1-2% does not appear so small, does it?


"You and your siblings are closer to 99.95% biochemically identical. Of course, since we have 6 billion bases, a 0.05% difference still translates to 3 million differences!"
http://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask166

So chimps are 26 to 27 times as different from us as you are from your siblings. Sounds about right. Being related evolutionarily speaking does not imply we are identical. Just that we wandered apart from each other from a common ancestor. It doesn't matter how much we are the same or how different we are, only that we could arrive at where we are from the same starting point. If you have an argument against that then you have an argument against evolution. Until then you are simply demonstrating that your comprehension of evolution is flawed both as to what it means and what evidence would support it or falsify it.

4000 years ago apes were no closer to becoming human, than humans were to being apes --- though many today certainly act like monkeys.
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Franktalk wrote:
spotlight wrote:Again Frank you can't use this even if it were true (which it isn't) because you do the same to a greater degree yourself in fabricating your own world view. You failed to find some stuff but went right on ahead and made up a story about it anyhow.


I found stuff all right. It is just personal. And because you can't verify it then you say it does not exist. Can't you see that is the way of all science? Any personal experience is denied. This is why I reject the notion that science seeks truth. Yet for many on the earth science denies their personal experience. Science has lost contact with the human condition. And if you embrace science as the tool to obtain all truth then you have denied the human condition as well.


Science doesn't care about ""truth". It does care about demonstrable facts. To that end one person no matter how well qualified can make science. It must be repeatedly demonstrated by all comers, even its own worst critics.
"But to affirm that the Sun is really fixed in the center of the heavens and that the Earth revolves very swiftly around the Sun is a dangerous thing, not only irritating the theologians and philosophers, but injuring our holy faith and making the sacred scriptures false."
Robert Bellarmine, Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church and the foremost Vatican theologian of the seventeeth century.

The human condition is that we will all die someday, and we have no facts that there is anything beyond that death. We do have plenty of beliefs however. I choose to believe. Others are free to believe or not believe as they want.
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