Franktalk wrote: Again this is a story. People look around with one mind set and this is what they come up with. I am sorry but it is a story. It is no different than a religious person who says God did it. It is a story.
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You don't know and you have no evidence that your story is actually what happened.
You still haven't provided your explanation, Frank. We're waiting.
Maksutov wrote:You still haven't provided your explanation, Frank. We're waiting.
You sure don't get it. It is you that claims to know what happened in the past. What I am asking is for you to show why you feel that way. You claim that science is evidence based. But all I am getting from you is a story. Where is the evidence?
Maksutov wrote:You still haven't provided your explanation, Frank. We're waiting.
You sure don't get it. It is you that claims to know what happened in the past. What I am asking is for you to show why you feel that way. You claim that science is evidence based. But all I am getting from you is a story. Where is the evidence?
You're stalling, Frank. Where is your explanation? What is your "story"? More excuses?
No evidence. That's not true, Frank. I'm not calling you a liar. Maybe you genuinely don't understand what's in the library, what's in the university, because you never go there, probably have never been. But you can change that. I hope you do.
Franktalk wrote: What you wrote is a story. Where is the actual evidence that emotions and self awareness increased fitness in the species so the brain evolved to enhance those qualities. And while the human species was doing this did it also evolve in other areas as well. Hair color variation, reduced body hair, and walking upright to name a few.
If you don't mind, I'll have a stab at it.
Emotions are not just found in humans. Most social animals display emotions because it's an important trait in maintaining successful social interactions. Dogs (wolves), elephants, horses, all primates, cattle (herding animals, lions (most felines) and a myriad of others. Social lifestyle and community cooperation are a huge advantage in survival. A definite plus in natural selection.
Self awareness is a function of high intelligence. Higher intelligence is a big plus in survival.
Hair color may have played a roll in increased sexual attraction to possible mates as well as adaptations to various climates. Skin color, as well. The cuter ones get to reproduce.
Reduced body hair may have played a roll in body cooling efficiency for animals that perspire in warmer climates (horses and primates) .
Walking upright had some big evolutionary advantages. Mothers could carry small children greater distances which would increase their ability to find food and escape threats. Hands were freed up for tool use.
Great points Quasi! I think you may have a bit more evidence than Genesis.
Quasimodo wrote:If you don't mind, I'll have a stab at it.
Emotions are not just found in humans. Most social animals display emotions because it's an important trait in maintaining successful social interactions. Dogs (wolves), elephants, horses, all primates, cattle (herding animals, lions (most felines) and a myriad of others. Social lifestyle and community cooperation are a huge advantage in survival. A definite plus in natural selection.
Self awareness is a function of high intelligence. Higher intelligence is a big plus in survival.
Hair color may have played a roll in increased sexual attraction to possible mates as well as adaptations to various climates. Skin color, as well. The cuter ones get to reproduce.
Reduced body hair may have played a roll in body cooling efficiency for animals that perspire in warmer climates (horses and primates) .
Walking upright had some big evolutionary advantages. Mothers could carry small children greater distances which would increase their ability to find food and escape threats. Hands were freed up for tool use.
Again this is a story. People look around with one mind set and this is what they come up with. I am sorry but it is a story. It is no different than a religious person who says God did it. It is a story.
words you used may have played attraction to possible mates may have played
You don't know and you have no evidence that your story is actually what happened.
I doubt that your mindset will accept any evidence I offer, but here goes:
Four links and four stories. Where is the evidence? Where is the link between behavior and gene mutation? Show me the genes and the step by step path in which fitness was improved for self wareness, walking upright. blue eyes, and emotions attached to worldviews. Show me each mutation and how fitness was changed. Don't give me links to stories. I get stories from religion. Show me that science is somehow different than religion.
Show me where on human DNA is the code for being self aware, walking upright, emotions attached to worldviews. Show me something besides stories.
Four links and four stories. Where is the evidence? Where is the link between behavior and gene mutation? Show me the genes and the step by step path in which fitness was improved for self wareness, walking upright. blue eyes, and emotions attached to worldviews. Show me each mutation and how fitness was changed. Don't give me links to stories. I get stories from religion. Show me that science is somehow different than religion.
Show me where on human DNA is the code for being self aware, walking upright, emotions attached to worldviews. Show me something besides stories.
I'm sorry, Quasi, but your detailed and well substantiated research has been rejected in favor of "stories" in the form of a bundle of texts which did not grasp the concepts of the cell, circulation of the blood, the existence of the nervous system, DNA, viruses, bacteria, etc. but did include demons, witches, talking snakes and angels. You just didn't have enough evidence.
