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_harmony
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Paul Osborne wrote:
The flowers are fake, Paul. And they look it. Watered-down washed-out fakes. The church has billions of dollars. They can afford to buy fresh flowers every danged day for all the temples, if they wanted to spend the money. The flowers are fake, Paul. And they look it. Watered-down washed-out fakes. The church has billions of dollars. They can afford to buy fresh flowers every danged day for all the temples, if they wanted to spend the money.


Harmony,

Did you hear the part about “allergies”? Hello! And, maybe just maybe the Church would rather spend money in different ways then living flowers. I suspect that if the Church spent a fortune on flowers YOU would complain about that too. It seems that you’re a woman that is never satisfied . . . . and all you do is complain, compalin, complain. That's enough to drive any man nuts.


I'd love it if the flowers in the Celestial room were real. It would definitely add a nice touch.

As for the allergies, you know that's why those all those allergy remedies were invented, right? So people can enjoy their world without having to sneeze and sniff.

And I don't always complain! I said I liked the wallpaper in Manti! What more do you want!?

And the seats are hard, not comfortable at all. No wonder no one wants to sit there. If that's supposed to be what the CK is like, I'm not going. Hard seats, fake flowers, and no laughter. Not my kinda place at all.



There are real flowers in heaven, Harmony. Also, there are no allergies. There is lots of laughter in heaven, Harmony. But in the tiny celestial room there simple rules to keep things quiet, dignified, and in order. No one wants their space invaded by a cackling person. It appears you have little manners when it comes to celestial rooms.


You don't know what's in heaven, Paul. No one does. No one's been there and lived to tell about it.

There's no need for quiet in heaven. At least, not if heaven's what my daughter expects. Heaven is a softball league, and Father is the pitcher. Christ is the coach, and Mother is the umpire. Everyone laughs a lot, runs in the sunshine, cheers for both sides, and she plays 2nd base. No overstuffed upholstered couches, no one hushes anyone, no fake flowers, no subdued lighting. It doesn't get any better than that.

Oh brother. There's a big difference between opening someone's locker by mistake and seeing their shoes (since they don't leave their underwear in the locker!) than there is in opening a stall in the bathroom. Try again, Paul.


No, Harmony, there is no need to try again. That is the honest answer for why there are locks in the temple. And it makes sense too! I can imagine if someone were to accidently open up your locker and pull out something that belongs to you that there would promptly be a complaint about why there aren't any locks on the locker doors. Besides, people generally feel safer when their good are locked up. That's only natural. People are used to having their belongings locked up where ever they are. No one wants to worry about whether their stuff will be messed with for whatever reason. Moreover, if someones hands were oily or whatever, they would spoil your clothes and piss you off! You would be complaining all they way to the Church president.


You need to get out of the city, Paul. Where I live, no one locks their doors. No one locks their car. No one locks their windows. We have the occasional theft, but no one's been raped in almost 20 years, no one's been murdered in my lifetime, and no one's stolen a child in my lifetime.

All you do is complain, Harmony. My gosh, how can you stand it?


It's a gift.
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Post by _Polygamy Porter »

Dr. Shades wrote:Hi Polygamy Porter,

Although the word "cult" isn't a swear word by any stretch of the imagination, it can be rather inflammatory to our Mormon friends here in this forum.

Will you please keep the Celestial Forum truly Celestial by avoid using that word and substitute it with "church" or something?

Thanks!
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As for money spent elsewhere, I guess profitable ventures like a frigging mall is better spent.


As far as I'm concerned yes. A mall is a good investment.

You align yourself with an organization who's primary duty is to perform lip service/upkeep on a tawdry and cheap affair such as the temple. its cheaply/easilly maintained by volunteers and underpaid (illegal?) employees, cheap mass produced wall coverings and furnishings, etc.


I still think it gets the job done. Why do you need a golden toilet seat like Pablo Escobar, when a porcelain works just fine? I guess that's the best thing I've heard about the temple yet. I don't like things that are overpriced and it seems to me that we shouldn't have overpriced things to flaunt wealth in the Celestial Kingdom either. I see a real beauty in simplicity and efficiency.

Above all this though is the fact that you hold this place in high regards. That alone sets the stage in your mind. If they swapped it out with a Howard Johnson you wouldn't know the difference.


I know one big difference already. Besides your tithing it doesn't cost anything to get into the temple. Imagine yourself as a poor man from the U.S. or a third world country. You probably won't ever stay in a Howard Johnson hotel and seeing the price would ruin the experience altogether. I think people would feel more motivated to work towards making themselves worthy to enter the Celestial kingdom if they could just get a little taste of what it is like. I think that's why we have temples.
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There's no need for quiet in heaven. At least, not if heaven's what my daughter expects. Heaven is a softball league, and Father is the pitcher. Christ is the coach, and Mother is the umpire. Everyone laughs a lot, runs in the sunshine, cheers for both sides, and she plays 2nd base. No overstuffed upholstered couches, no one hushes anyone, no fake flowers, no subdued lighting. It doesn't get any better than that.


I like the sound of that. I still want my sound proofed room though.

You need to get out of the city, Paul. Where I live, no one locks their doors. No one locks their car. No one locks their windows. We have the occasional theft, but no one's been raped in almost 20 years, no one's been murdered in my lifetime, and no one's stolen a child in my lifetime.


The only place I ever lived like that was WV. I guess that's why they call it "Almost Heavan."
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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Post by _Paul Osborne »

If they swapped it out with a Howard Johnson you wouldn't know the difference.



Prove it.

next your going to ask me questions about my underwear!



I don't care about your underwear. Prove your other statements.

Paul O
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Post by _Paul Osborne »

As for the allergies, you know that's why those all those allergy remedies were invented, right? So people can enjoy their world without having to sneeze and sniff.


Come on, Harmony, you have no choice but to concede on the flowers. Some people are allergic to them and remedies are not always the answer. The human body is not always cured by concoctions.

You don't know what's in heaven, Paul. No one does


And, you seem to always be complaining about something – nearly everything Mormon. For one who says that no one knows what’s in heaven you make yourself the only person who does based on your silly statement which I need not quote.

There's no need for quiet in heaven


Harmony, have no never heard of the silence in heaven for the space of half an hour?

You need to get out of the city, Paul. Where I live, no one locks their doors. No one locks their car. No one locks their windows. We have the occasional theft, but no one's been raped in almost 20 years, no one's been murdered in my lifetime, and no one's stolen a child in my lifetime.


That’s what they say until it comes to there small town. I’ve seen that all too often in the news. But you just don’t get the lock thing. It’s not about stealing. It’s about privacy in busy quarters wherein people like to keep their stuff secure.

Harmony, you’re a liar. I said earlier, “all you do is complain, compalin, complain”; and you countered with, “And I don't always complain”. Then I said, “All you do is complain, Harmony. My gosh, how can you stand it?”

Then you said, “It's a gift.” Like I said, you’re a liar.

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Post by _Mercury »

Paul Osborne wrote:
Prove it.


Umm, Prove what? My comparison? Maybe a doubletree would be a better comparison...or an upscale embassy suites.
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Post by _barrelomonkeys »

Okay. Just so ya'll will stop it. There are hotel lobbies that are pretty ornate.

http://www.icpiconferences.org/uploaded ... 0Lobby.jpg

http://www.friendlyplanet.com/hotels/im ... -lobby.jpg

http://www.clippervacations.com/xml/hot ... lobby2.jpg

http://www.nationaltrust.org/magazine/_ ... mitage.jpg <---- this one I've been in during the last month. really nice place

Kiss and make up now.
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Post by _harmony »

Paul Osborne wrote:Harmony, you’re a liar.


No, I'm not a liar. Well, at least, not habitually. I admit to the occasional white lie like everyone else.

Just because you don't like what I say doesn't make me a complainer or a liar, Paul. Women can have opinions nowadays, even contrary opinions, and I am nothing if not contrary.
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Post by _Roger Morrison »

Hi Paul, you said:

That's how it's suppose to be. We are to develop on our own with and without the aid of the Church. Our personal relationship with God is absolutely the most important thing. The Church helps us on our journey and gives us the tools we need but it's up to us to use them and find greater treasure beyond what you will find in the chapel halls.

Paul O


Amen! The door is open to move beyond the halls & walls when one feels comfortable & confident in doing so. Don't stay for the wrong reason. Nor leave for the wrong reason. "...the whole need not a physician..." When 'healed' go "...men (& women) are that they have joy..." Enjoy it, its your heritage!

Ajax, you are correct, the wedding ceremony can be a beautiful, inspiring few minutes. I always found it so. The very reason i personally think it should be shared with ALL family members, LDS or not. By depriving non-LDS parents & grands from this spiritual experience is, IMSCO, another straw bringing the camel to its knees. For a church that boasts "...family unity, etc..." it is totally incongruous. Such hypocracy, i think, was the last course needed for my graduation from LDS Corp of the President. I did so with gratitude, appreciation and honours. I recommend the course to anyone. Warm regards, Roger
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