Psalms 82:1 judgeth among the gods (elohim) plural.
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1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one
That's the most common Bible verse given for support of the Trinity, I believe.
I like John 17:11 myself. Although it does have some funny implications for the Trinity.
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
John 17:11 New Century Version: "I am coming to you: I will not stay in the world any longer. But they are still in the world. Holy Father, keep them safe by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they will be one, just as you and I are."
Contemporary English Version "Holy Father, I am no longer in the world. I am coming to you, but my followers are still in the world. So keep them safe by the power of the name that you have given me. Then they will be one with each other, just as you and I are one."
New Living Translation: "Now I am departing the world; I am leaving them behind and coming to you. Holy Father, keep them and care for them --all those you have given me -- so that they will be united just as we are."
J.B. Phillips Translation: "Now I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am returning to you. Holy Father, Keep the men you gave me by your power that they may be united, just as we are."
Albion wrote:John 17:11 New Century Version: "I am coming to you: I will not stay in the world any longer. But they are still in the world. Holy Father, keep them safe by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they will be one, just as you and I are."
Contemporary English Version "Holy Father, I am no longer in the world. I am coming to you, but my followers are still in the world. So keep them safe by the power of the name that you have given me. Then they will be one with each other, just as you and I are one."
New Living Translation: "Now I am departing the world; I am leaving them behind and coming to you. Holy Father, keep them and care for them --all those you have given me -- so that they will be united just as we are."
J.B. Phillips Translation: "Now I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am returning to you. Holy Father, Keep the men you gave me by your power that they may be united, just as we are."
So does that mean that, just as the trinity is 3 in one, that every person saved will become one big millions in one? Or does being one mean one in purpose? Or something else?
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
I suspect that no other subject has been discussed on this board more than the question of the nature of the Godhead and I doubt anyone's mind is going to be changed in this discussion. Sometimes it is good to look at various translations of scripture to get a clearer picture of the intent of the passage. The verse in question from John is to me clearly not talking about the nature of God or the Godhead at all but about Jesus' desire to see his followers left behind on earth united in their faith under God's grace, enjoying the same communion with each other and with God that he has had while on earth. Christ's desire is that his church will be one...a united body of believers living out their lives by and under God's grace.
Albion wrote:I suspect that no other subject has been discussed on this board more than the question of the nature of the Godhead and I doubt anyone's mind is going to be changed in this discussion. Sometimes it is good to look at various translations of scripture to get a clearer picture of the intent of the passage. The verse in question from John is to me clearly not talking about the nature of God or the Godhead at all but about Jesus' desire to see his followers left behind on earth united in their faith under God's grace, enjoying the same communion with each other and with God that he has had while on earth. Christ's desire is that his church will be one...a united body of believers living out their lives by and under God's grace.
Thanks, that's how I read it, too. Having grown up LDS, I find I tend to read the Bible through an LDS lens. Given the different interpretations different sects place on the same passage, I'm always interested to hear how someone else understands the language.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
I hope not to laugh at Consiglieri's expense but that's funny stuff.
You are fine laughing at me any old time.
Especially when I admit I don't get the binders bit.
Oh come on! As a matter of fact, they had the quote on Fox News today (I swear I do not watch Fox News on purpose). Romney talked about binder's full of women during one of the debates.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
