My Favorite (to date) take down of Creationism.

[_The CCC]

I tend to believe that the Garden of Eden was a special place where the normal laws of death and birth did not operate as they did in West of Eden.

[_Tobin]

I tend to believe that the Garden of Eden was a special place where the normal laws of death and birth did not operate as they did in West of Eden.

Like a high-tech laboratory.

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

I tend to believe that the Garden of Eden was a special place where the normal laws of death and birth did not operate as they did in West of Eden.

Like a high-tech laboratory.

I thought the inter-dimensional beings cleaned things up when they shut down the Art Bell Show.

I guess they missed a spot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee3bld4lTG0

[_ludwigm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee3bld4lTG0

I endured it to 1:30.
That man is ldsfaqs ver 1.01 !


--- at least for me ---

[_spotlight]

I believe that you will find that theory, opinion and science are entirely different matters. God reveals through the Bible that HE CREATED everything that exists. HE also defined days of CREATION as an evening and morning. The revelation is that there was entirely NO DEATH UNTIL sin entered into the CREATION equation. These are frankly Biblical absolutes and unprovable. This is why GOD reveals it in His Word.

Now, the question remains, does true thoroughly researched observable repeatable science prove otherwise?

Chemostratigraphy - the silent objector to flood geology

If these marine organisms were all buried in a global flood, then all of them made their shells from the same ocean and the same reservoir of carbon with approximately the same isotopic ratio. So when fossilized shells of trilobites, brachiopods, molluscs, etc. are analyzed across the Phanerozoic (542 Ma – Present) for carbon isotopes, are they isotopically homogenous (as predicted by Flood geology) or do patterns emerge?

The carbon-isotope ratio in carbonate fossils—and therefore the ocean itself—varied substantially over the past 500 million years. If this range in δ13C values on the order of 6–10 parts per thousand does not seem impressive, consider that to increase the oceanic δ13C value by only 5‰ requires a sustained doubling in the rate of organic carbon burial for about 1 million years, because the carbon reservoir in the ocean is so large (today, about 39,000 billion tons of carbon).

Flood geologists are left with the impossible task of explaining two features.

1. Variations in the carbon-isotope ratios of fossils are far too great to be explained by shifting ocean chemistry within a single year, meaning these organisms could not have lived in the same ocean at the same time.

2. The pattern of carbon-isotope variations from Cambrian to Quaternary is the same across the entire globe. Whether you’re sampling rocks from Texas or Tanzania, layers of limestone determined to be the same age according to their fossil content also exhibit the same pattern of δ13C values over time. These values are invariably high for Permian-aged carbonates and invariably low for Ordovician-aged carbonates.

There are periods when a perturbation to the ocean system caused the average δ13C value of oceanic carbon to shift for a sustained period of time (perhaps 1–3 million years) before returning to an equilibrium value.

We can be confident that biostratigraphic zones indeed represent unique, coeval periods of Earth history, when particular assemblages of organisms were living together in ancient oceans. Otherwise, we would not find a common signal of ocean chemistry, but a jumbled mess of relatively homogenous isotopic values throughout the geologic column. The concept of Flood geology, therefore, is entirely inconsistent with this peculiar subdiscipline called chemostratigraphy.

http://ageofrocks.org/2014/08/23/chemos ... d-geology/

[_LittleNipper]

Your napkin is longer than mine. But can you prove mine false?

THE Bible clearly has made predictions which have come to pass. Your napkin makes not one prediction. The Messiah has arrived as prophesized according to THE Bible. The nation of Israel was dispersed throughout the entire earth as prophesized by THE Bible. The nation of Israel has been re-established as prophesized by THE Bible. There are growing numbers of earthquakes in diverse areas of the earth as prophesized according to THE Bible. People like yourself are more willing today to accept lies than stick to sound proven doctrine as prophesized in THE Bible.

Believe in evolution if you wish, but you will receive not one ounce of comfort from its teachings and no proof of how life originated, why it exists at all, and where it is going.

[_LittleNipper]

The following explains my position. Please read http://www.pinchercreekecho.com/2011/02 ... y-creation
If one is a CHRISTIAN, one is brought to many realizations. The fact is that either one believes in Christ and grows in that understanding, or one walks away and believes something different. We have no idea how GOD intended to use the entire Universe. And we do not know if God intended an unlimited number of births --- if any at all originally. God did allow a birth process to offset the death process established by the FALL and even that is now under the manipulation of a FALLEN world -- presently still controlled by Satan. As a Christian, Christ naturally comes FIRST! There is no experiment I can perform to replicate a sinless world. Even my own thoughts are jaded as your own reflect. I believe Jesus is the Christ (Messiah). And I believe what HE said and revealed to HIS Apostles.

With GOD nothing is impossible! Without GOD man must realize his own limitations or die in his own misguided misunderstanding.

You still don't seem to understand the full implications of what I said, or even try to understand. If Adam and Eve and their descendants had remained in an immortal state, they would have had to stop procreating long, long before anyone in this generation was born to avoid crowding out everything else that exists in the entire universe, and you and I would never have existed to engage in this discussion. That is just a matter of simple, undeniable and irrevocable arithmetic.

I am fully aware of what your position is. No matter how many times you state it and no matter how many people you can find that corroborate it, it is still egregious nonsense.

And what do you mean by: "And we do not know if God intended an unlimited number of births --- if any at all originally?" Are you suggesting now that history could have unfolded in any way other than what God originally intended, or that God could have not known for sure what would happen? How does that not undermine the claims of God's omniscience and omnipotence? And again, if the original intent was not for Adam and Eve to have any offspring at all, and they had not "sinned", you and I would never have existed.

Be honest please! You believe what you believe, not because it is rational or has any evidential support, but because you can't bear the thought of it not being true.

There is every Biblical indication that come eternity, there will be no more births. Marriage will not exist. The adopted brothers and sisters in Christ will be content and happy living in the presence of God. I do not hold to Mormonism. We know from the Bible that in 600 plus years, Noah had only three sons who then married. That would reveal a very low rate of births. I do not know if this was the norm for humanity at that time; however, you cannot honestly prove otherwise.

God knew and predestined to save His LittleNipper, and so He fully allowed Adam and Eve to sin; however, God's intent is to return creation back to the Garden sealed for all eternity. Those who wish to exist apart from GOD will be forever excluded to their own devices, because they have no knowledge of GOD's love, nor wanted it.

[_spotlight]

God knew and predestined to save His LittleNipper, and so He fully allowed Adam and Eve to sin;

All for you, sweet!

however, God's intent is to return creation back to the Garden sealed for all eternity.

What is the correct chromosome number for the animals of creation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXdQRvSdLAs

http://genetics.thetech.org/original_news/news124

http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/chrom.surviv.html

The karyotype of the domestic horse differs from that of Przewalski’s horse by an extra chromosome pair either because of the fission of domestic horse chromosome 5 in Przewalski’s horse or fusion of Przewalski’s horse chromosomes 23 and 24 in the domestic horse. In comparison, the chromosomal differences between domestic horses and zebras include numerous translocations, fusions, and inversions. Przewalski’s horse is known to have the highest diploid chromosome number among all equine species. Przewalski’s horse can interbreed with the domestic horse and produce fertile offspring (65 chromosomes).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przewalski's_horse

[_Gunnar]

God knew and predestined to save His LittleNipper, and so He fully allowed Adam and Eve to sin; however, God's intent is to return creation back to the Garden sealed for all eternity. Those who wish to exist apart from GOD will be forever excluded to their own devices, because they have no knowledge of GOD's love, nor wanted it

So God ". . .fully allowed Adam and Eve to sin. . ." and the consequent widespread sinfulness and corruption that made it necessary for God to mercilessly wipe out millions, if not billions of people in a cataclysmic flood that also cruelly destroyed most of every other species of then existing creatures, all so that LittleNipper could eventually exist and testify to us of God's grace and loving mercy? My, my aren't you special! Do you really have no clue how arrogant and ridiculous that makes you look? Was that your lame attempt at sarcasm perhaps?

[_spotlight]

God's intent is to return creation back to the Garden sealed for all eternity.

Will the animals have to give up any homosexual practices to return to the garden?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdcvRe7ox8