My Favorite (to date) take down of Creationism.

[_Gunnar]

God's intent is to return creation back to the Garden sealed for all eternity.

Will the animals have to give up any homosexual practices to return to the garden?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdcvRe7ox8

LittleNipper probably thinks that everyone, whether animal or human, would have to give up sexual practices of any kind, whether heterosexual or homosexual to return to the garden.

[_LittleNipper]

God's intent is to return creation back to the Garden sealed for all eternity.

Will the animals have to give up any homosexual practices to return to the garden?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdcvRe7ox8

Homosexuality is a dysfunction. I believe that there may not be any sexuality in eternity. There will be no longer any need to procreate. The Bible clearly indicate that there will be no homosexuals in heaven. I believe all sins are forgiven by God through Christ Jesus. My understanding is that there will be no sexual desires in heaven. The person who loves the Lord doesn't care. The individual lusting self-satisfaction will.

[_ludwigm]

My understanding is that there will be no sexual desires in heaven.

At least muslims get 70 (77?) virgins.

Change your god...

[_The CCC]

LittleNipper.

So sex is only useful because its utilitarian in only one way? What a myopic view of what a loving giving relationship is.

[_just me]

This is ridiculous. Life on earth could not have even started without death. Birth and death are linked and define life.

The whole life cycle depends on death and decay and it is truly bizarre that some people believe it could ever be otherwise.

[_just me]

I also love that God gave Adam a bellybutton (which is a scar from umbilical cord) because he knew that human reproduction would cause that scar. Yet, Nipper isn't sure that God knew his creation was going to reproduce?

Did Adam have hair and nails? Did he slough dead skin cells or no?

[_DrW]

God playing the role of the deceiver. Then satan is god?

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[_Franktalk]

To think that there was death before Adam does create a pressure to rethink a few traditional assumptions.
On the other hand it is hard to think of something about history which is more sure than that there was death long long long before Adam and Eve.

All life on this planet gets stuck within a paradigm at some point. To allow progress death of the mortal body must happen. It is like a reset button so the next life grows up in a new culture. And the hope is that over time knowledge and culture will improve. So whether you believe as I do that life forms were seeded onto the earth or if you think evolution did it, both require death to progress.

Now when you overlay the scriptures on top of what we see around us it becomes real confusing. Something inside of us tells us that the scriptures are special. But they are not easy to interpret. They are mixed with so much that is false. But if we were sent here to experience opposition then a perfect stage is set. We have science that looks at the world without the words of the prophets. Then we have thousands of interpretations of the scriptures. A whole range of beliefs for us to choose. And of course we do.

At some point we will obtain a critical mass of knowledge and we will cast off our current systems which supply our beliefs. The first to go will be religion. It will be replaced with a better view of reality. Science in its current form will have to go as well. In time man will become aware that there is much more going on than the senses can give us. It would be nice to think that both science and religion are heading towards truth. They may be in a small part but both will refuse to change when they should.

Science with its limited view believes that man is at the pinnacle on its path. That somehow natural selection has honed the human body into near perfection. I on the other hand see this body as flesh 101 soon to be replaced with a more advanced model.

[_LittleNipper]

I also love that God gave Adam a bellybutton (which is a scar from umbilical cord) because he knew that human reproduction would cause that scar. Yet, Nipper isn't sure that God knew his creation was going to reproduce?

Did Adam have hair and nails? Did he slough dead skin cells or no?

God knew that man would reproduce. God commanded reproduction. The issue is that babies were not conceived until after the Fall. Angels were not meant to procreate and man was created a little lower than the angels. So while humans are mortal, they can reproduce; however, after the end of this life, humans put on immortality of a kind that apparently never existed prior to Adam's Fall. What all this means is that had Adam and Eve never sinned, their children would have been born without sin. Humanity would have populated the earth and maybe other planets or God would have ended procreation when He saw fit.

However, with thousands upon thousands upon thousands of saved individuals (from millennia past, present, future) there is no need to procreate. And unlike Adam and Eve, the saved are now sealed. Memories of past mortal life events obliterated forever. Mortals cannot fathom life without sex or even time. We are presently still trying to visualize eternity with our perceptions still focused in the here and now.

I believe that Adam was a very handsome healthy athletic 30 year old looking dude. Eve would have been a natural beauty made for Adam to love.

[_LittleNipper]

LittleNipper.

So sex is only useful because its utilitarian in only one way? What a myopic view of what a loving giving relationship is.

Our relationship will be towards God. The Church is the bride of Christ and not other believers.