Did a man or the Self-Existing God create the Universe ?

[_spotlight]

God's Word tells me that there was a world wide flood. It also indicates that after about 1 year that the surface of the earth began to reappear. Part of this was through uplifting of select areas of this planet and the subsidence of others. I also realize that the polar ice caps and various frozen areas allowed for the further exposure and drying of the surface areas humans now reside on. You may wish to consider the following scientific information. http://creation.com/do-greenland-ice-co ... ual-layers

The link you provided has nothing to do with the permafrost problem. Can you provide a creationist link where they do the math to show that permafrost could form in 500 to 700 years time to the depth that it exists? That would be a start. Or was the flood of Noah not a flood of water but of Liquid Nitrogen?

[_LittleNipper]

... the following scientific information. http://creation.com/do-greenland-ice-co ... ual-layers

Did you really write the word "scientific" and the word "creation" in the same sentence?

#171 of 750 Hungarian proverbs
Fából vaskarika. =An iron ring made of wood.
('An absurdity.')

"Scientific" is not simply a word for applying to secular interpretive guesses. Interestingly, an iron ring can being as an impression of a wooden ring pressed into fine sand.

Please note: http://www.mechanicalbanks.org/foundry/ ... ing-FW.pdf

[_LittleNipper]

The link you provided has nothing to do with the permafrost problem. Can you provide a creationist link where they do the math to show that permafrost could form in 500 to 700 years time to the depth that it exists? That would be a start. Or was the flood of Noah not a flood of water but of Liquid Nitrogen?

Consider the wind in the formation of permafrost and also see the following: http://www.icr.org/article/wooly-mammot ... ly-solved/

[_spotlight]

Consider the wind in the formation of permafrost and also see the following: http://www.icr.org/article/wooly-mammot ... ly-solved/

That's a lot of nice speculation but where is the computer model and the applied math showing how the permafrost could form in a mere 500 to 700 years? Not seeing it in this link either. You are off by a factor in time of 1,000. You don't get to hand wave away the physics of the issue with an appeal to wind. Show your work.

[_moksha]

It came into existence (suddenly) from an event that is fondly called "The Big Bang!"

What force caused the incredible cohesiveness of the singularity to fail?

[_Mittens]

the quote goes like this---sometime in the infinite past the higher INTELIGENCES got together and formulated a plan--that plan became know as the plan of salvation--from this the spirit of man and the physical body of man were formulated and the first God was formed and a wife so that man could be procreated--inother words man has not always existed but intelligences have--that is where it all comes from--all so the universe was designed at the time of this plans formulation--

That plan seems to be missing in the Book of Mormon and the Bible

[_dberrie2000]

The video's below tell us no man that progressed to Godhead ever created our universe like Mormons teach

But the Biblical text does testify God the Son is a man who received His full inheritance from His God and Father:

1 Timothy 2:5--King James Version (KJV)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Hebrews 1:1-9--King James Version (KJV)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

[_Mittens]

The video's below tell us no man that progressed to Godhead ever created our universe like Mormons teach

But the Biblical text does testify God the Son is a man who received His full inheritance from His God and Father:

1 Timothy 2:5--King James Version (KJV)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Hebrews 1:1-9--King James Version (KJV)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Did Jesus created this world before he humbled self and came into this broken world as a man

Jesus Stripped his equality with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit and humbled himself to the form of a slave.

”Who although being essentially one with God and in the Form of God {possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD} did not think this equality with God was a thing to be grasped or retained.” Philippians 2:6 Amplified version

“For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.” 2 Cor. 8:9

Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

In the original language “for the joy” means “he exchanged Joy for Shame”.

Thank you Jesus for coming down from your throne in heaven where you were the Almighty God, “EL SHADDAI”, The Great I AM creator of all things in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, and principalities and powers . You were rich yet you became poor. You were Almighty yet you emptied yourself and became a humble slave, you exchanged joy for sorrow , sorrow by dying a shameful death on a cross as a criminal even thou you had no sin . Thank you Jesus

Luke 2:51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.

http://i.imgur.com/vWcr3l0.jpg

[_dberrie2000]

But the Biblical text does testify God the Son is a man who received His full inheritance from His God and Father:

1 Timothy 2:5--King James Version (KJV)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Hebrews 1:1-9--King James Version (KJV)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Did Jesus created this world before he humbled self and came into this broken world as a man

Jesus Stripped his equality with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit and humbled himself to the form of a slave.

How does that touch upon the point the Biblical New Testament testifies Jesus Christ received His inheritance of all things from His God and Father?

Hebrews 1:1-9--King James Version (KJV)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

[_Mittens]

Could it because Jesus laid aside his equality, his wealth and Joy when he came into this broken world