Jesus wrote: "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but psychosis or possibly you are delusional due to a brain tumor."
For former Mormons who became atheists
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_SteelHead
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It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
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_son of Ishmael
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Lightworker wrote: Logic and reason can go a long way here, there is quite a bit of evidence for a God or what can be called that.
What would you say are the top three evidences for a God? I just don't see what they could be.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
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_son of Ishmael
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Mktavish wrote:
Beer ... and the many different varieties there of.
When I hit the jackpot on a poker machine last weekend ... woo hoo , Royal flush with a x2
The Hobbit movie finally getting released just before the end of the world.
Ok maybe you got me on those. Certainly Beer might be proof of God.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
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_ludwigm
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son of Ishmael wrote:Ok maybe you got me on those. Certainly Beer might be proof of God.Mktavish wrote:Beer ... and the many different varieties there of.
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would one of You be so kind and quote my comment, without #s and space?
The caricature doesn't show nipples or genitals - the denominated objects all my pictures was banned for - so You are (were?) safe...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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_Dr. Shades
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subgenius wrote:Dr. Shades wrote:That is a false statement because it it self-contradictory.
self-contradiction is not a determination for true or false.
Yes it is. I challenge you to explain how can it possibly be otherwise.
Coherence may not always require consistency.
That, too, is false. Coherence always requires consistency. Otherwise it's not coherent. If you disagree, then provide an example of a coherent statement that's inconsistent.
Though, i recognize that some systems of thought would agree with your position, . . .
"Some systems of thought" don't agree with "my position." Fact, truth, logic, and cold hard reason simply exist, independent of any system of thought and independent of anyone's position.
. . . putting it forth as "must be false" is perhaps misleading.
It's not misleading at all. The truth is never misleading.
Dr. Shades wrote:That, too, is false. For a little over 10 years now we've known that the universe is actually accelerating its rate of expansion. Therefore, there will be no big crunch; matter will continue outward forever.
for 10 years it has been a "theory"...we have not "known".
No, it has not been a "theory." We have "known" because we can objectively observe it. Is it a theory that the earth orbits the sun, or do we know it?
Seemingly a semantic distinction, but science has "contradictory" views about expansion and contraction, with some theories proposing that both are occurring.......
That, too, is a false statement. Science does not have contradictory views about expansion and contraction any longer. Ever since about 1999, no theories are proposing that both are occurring.
. . . and surely you would admit that this "contradiction" does not render the premise "false"...does it?
There is no contradiction.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
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_SteelHead
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If beer is proof that god loves us, then fire ants are proof that he is a prick and likes to torment us.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
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_LittleNipper
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SteelHead wrote:If beer is proof that god loves us, then fire ants are proof that he is a prick and likes to torment us.
If there was no God, would there be a reason for fire ants to exist? Fire ants exist because satan asked God to allow him to bring about a mutation or two or three...