The sisters of the White, Green and Black Veil.

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The sisters of the White, Green and Black Veil.

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http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/NY ... htm#072742

I was trawling through Uncle Dale's Site (as you do) and came upon this.

The Seraglio. -- The Mormon Seraglio, or female lodge, is composed of three degrees or orders. First the Cyprian Saints; second the Chamber of the Sisters of Charity; third, the Cloistered Consecrated Saints.


This was written by J C Bennett as reported in the NY Herald. (I have always discounted him as a vile anti-mormon, with base lusts and a wife and family that he kept from the early church whilst he went about his licentious? ways) He titilates the readership (I'm sure) with stories of each order having a different sexual role to play within the early LDS culture.

But the stuff about Cyprian, Charity and consecrated Women puzzles me. Each apparantly wore a different coloured veil from white, green and then black.

Is this stuff credible? Or was it mere gossip on Bennett's part?

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Okay, looked up the meaning of cyprian (here's me thinking it was just an early church saint)


resembling the ancient orgiastic worship of Aphrodite on Cyprus



Where on earth did Bennett get this stuff from!
Did he just pull it out of thin air, (or from the men's talk of the day) in order to blacken Joseph Smith, or was there some truth in it???
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Just found this from: http://mormonstudies.com/doctrn3.htm


John C. Bennett joined the Mormons, after they had settled in Nauvoo, Illinois, and quickly rose to positions of importance as mayor of the city and assistant president of the church. After charges were brought against him of teaching a system of "spiritual wifery" and improper conduct with women, Bennett was separated from the church. He wrote an exposé, alleging that Joseph Smith had established three orders of women, known as the Cyprian Saints, the Chambered Sisters of Charity, and the Cloistered Saints or Consecratees of the Cloister.

According to Bennett, the Cyprian Saints were women who had been interrogated by members of the Relief Society and were found guilty of lapsing from the straight path of virtue. They were excluded from the Relief Society and were "set apart and appropriated to the gratification of the vilest appetites of the brutal Priests and Elders of the Mormon Church" (Bennett 1842, 221). Bennett described the Chambered Sisters of Charity as follows:


This order comprises that class of females who indulge their sensual propensities, without restraint, whether married or single, by the express permission of the Prophet. Whenever one of the "Saints," (as the Mormons style themselves,), of the male sex, becomes enamored of a female, and she responds to the feeling by a reciprocal manifestation, the loving brother goes to Holy Joe, and states the case. It makes, by the bye, no difference whatever if one or both the parties are already provided with conjugal helpmates. The Prophet gravely buries his face in his hat, in which lies his peep-stone, and inquires of the Lord what are his will and pleasure in the matter. Sometimes, when Joe wants the woman for his own purposes, an unfavorable answer is given; but, generally, the reply permits the parties to follow the bent of their inclinations . . . . (Bennett 1842, 221-22)
The Cloistered Saints were "composed of females, whether married or unmarried, who, by an express grant and gift of God, through his Prophet the Holy Joe, are set apart and consecrated to the use and benefit of particular individuals, as secret, spiritual wives" (Bennett 1842, 223). As in the former case, the prophet inquired of the Lord, and if a favorable answer was received, the two parties went through a ceremony in the lodge room.

It is doubtful that the three orders described by Bennett ever existed, but his allegations had some elements of truth. The Relief Society did in fact interrogate at least a few women concerning rumors of improper and unvirtuous conduct. But rather than consigning these women to the ranks of Cyprian Saints, the Society, under the leadership of Emma Smith, actually worked against the teaching of polygamy. Nonetheless, unknown to Emma, Joseph secretly married a number of the leading women of the Society. Furthermore, some older women, such as Elizabeth Durfee and Elizabeth Allred, were used by Mormon leaders to approach other women: "Sometimes referred to as 'Mothers in Israel,' they assisted Joseph by contacting women, explaining the new order of marriage to them, and occasionally delivering marriage proposals" (Newell and Avery 1984, 109).
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Miss Taken wrote:Just found this from: http://mormonstudies.com/doctrn3.htm


John C. Bennett joined the Mormons, after they had settled in Nauvoo, Illinois, and quickly rose to positions of importance as mayor of the city and assistant president of the church. After charges were brought against him of teaching a system of "spiritual wifery" and improper conduct with women, Bennett was separated from the church. He wrote an exposé, alleging that Joseph Smith had established three orders of women, known as the Cyprian Saints, the Chambered Sisters of Charity, and the Cloistered Saints or Consecratees of the Cloister.

According to Bennett, the Cyprian Saints were women who had been interrogated by members of the Relief Society and were found guilty of lapsing from the straight path of virtue. They were excluded from the Relief Society and were "set apart and appropriated to the gratification of the vilest appetites of the brutal Priests and Elders of the Mormon Church" (Bennett 1842, 221). Bennett described the Chambered Sisters of Charity as follows:


This order comprises that class of females who indulge their sensual propensities, without restraint, whether married or single, by the express permission of the Prophet. Whenever one of the "Saints," (as the Mormons style themselves,), of the male sex, becomes enamored of a female, and she responds to the feeling by a reciprocal manifestation, the loving brother goes to Holy Joe, and states the case. It makes, by the bye, no difference whatever if one or both the parties are already provided with conjugal helpmates. The Prophet gravely buries his face in his hat, in which lies his peep-stone, and inquires of the Lord what are his will and pleasure in the matter. Sometimes, when Joe wants the woman for his own purposes, an unfavorable answer is given; but, generally, the reply permits the parties to follow the bent of their inclinations . . . . (Bennett 1842, 221-22)
The Cloistered Saints were "composed of females, whether married or unmarried, who, by an express grant and gift of God, through his Prophet the Holy Joe, are set apart and consecrated to the use and benefit of particular individuals, as secret, spiritual wives" (Bennett 1842, 223). As in the former case, the prophet inquired of the Lord, and if a favorable answer was received, the two parties went through a ceremony in the lodge room.

It is doubtful that the three orders described by Bennett ever existed, but his allegations had some elements of truth. The Relief Society did in fact interrogate at least a few women concerning rumors of improper and unvirtuous conduct. But rather than consigning these women to the ranks of Cyprian Saints, the Society, under the leadership of Emma Smith, actually worked against the teaching of polygamy. Nonetheless, unknown to Emma, Joseph secretly married a number of the leading women of the Society. Furthermore, some older women, such as Elizabeth Durfee and Elizabeth Allred, were used by Mormon leaders to approach other women: "Sometimes referred to as 'Mothers in Israel,' they assisted Joseph by contacting women, explaining the new order of marriage to them, and occasionally delivering marriage proposals" (Newell and Avery 1984, 109).


I never heard of this, but my patriarchal blessing said I would be a "mother in Israel." Yikes!

There was a lot of experimenting with sex and marriage in the dozens of new religions springing up all around the Mormons in those early days, and maybe Bennett borrowed from those, or maybe it is purely a product of his own mind, or Joseph's mind, but doesn't seem to have been acted upon to any great extent, thank goodness.
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Post by _Zakuska »

Well lets see...

White = Virgin
Green = Fertile Murtle
Black = Window

Black would be the only woman who could remarry. that's where id go.
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Post by _Gazelam »

After Bennet was kicked out of the church for being a miserable deceitful lowlife he made a living for a while writing anti Mormon literature and public speaking. I wouldent put any lie past him.
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Gazelam wrote:After Bennet was kicked out of the church for being a miserable deceitful lowlife he made a living for a while writing anti Mormon literature and public speaking. I wouldent put any lie past him.

Yes, he was practicing "Spiritual Wifery" of all things!
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Zakuska wrote:Well lets see...

White = Virgin
Green = Fertile Murtle
Black = Window

Black would be the only woman who could remarry. that's where id go.


Zakuska can you please elucidate...

It all seems extremely bizarre. I get where Bennett got the terms Seraglio from (ie Harem), which would have been a term he was familiar with outside of Mormonism. I also get the Cyprian bit, coming at a time when all things Greek, would have been viewed with great interest.

White, Green and Black....? Are there any contemporary sources outside Mormonism where he would have got this from. White, Black and Green Veil thing....or was this bit a product of his own fertile imagination???

Mary
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