Morley wrote:Bond James Bond wrote:
Why? :P
Is there ever a reason to answer a question with another question?
Is there ever not?
Morley wrote:Bond James Bond wrote:
Why? :P
Is there ever a reason to answer a question with another question?
Morley wrote:Socrates wrote:
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My favorite game show is Jeopardy! "Alex, I'll take Theology for $800."
If your name is Socrates, shouldn't your signature line be a question?
Analytics wrote:Apparently, Don discovered that a symbol on the Kinderhook plates matched a symbol that was on the Grammar and Alphabet of the Egyptian Language (GAEL) documents that Joseph Smith and/or his cohorts had produced. Furthermore, the “translation” of the symbol, per the GAEL, is consistent with Joseph Smith’s reported interpretation of the Kinderhook Plates.
Analytics wrote:Apparently, Don discovered that a symbol on the Kinderhook plates matched a symbol that was on the Grammar and Alphabet of the Egyptian Language (GAEL) documents that Joseph Smith and/or his cohorts had produced. Furthermore, the “translation” of the symbol, per the GAEL, is consistent with Joseph Smith’s reported interpretation of the Kinderhook Plates.
What do we infer from this? If I understand the argument correctly...
- Smith's evaluation of the Kinderhook Plates was based upon the GAEL
- Smith considered the GAEL to be a tool to assist in translating Egyptian
- Smith was intimately familiar with the GAEL
Is that basically it?
onandagus wrote:Analytics wrote:Apparently, Don discovered that a symbol on the Kinderhook plates matched a symbol that was on the Grammar and Alphabet of the Egyptian Language (GAEL) documents that Joseph Smith and/or his cohorts had produced. Furthermore, the “translation” of the symbol, per the GAEL, is consistent with Joseph Smith’s reported interpretation of the Kinderhook Plates.
What do we infer from this? If I understand the argument correctly...
- Smith's evaluation of the Kinderhook Plates was based upon the GAEL
- Smith considered the GAEL to be a tool to assist in translating Egyptian
- Smith was intimately familiar with the GAEL
Is that basically it?
No.
jon wrote:Am I right in summarising this as:
A symbol has been found on the plates that matches an alphabet that Joseph Smith produced and his translation of both is consistent?
honorentheos wrote:
The Kinderhook plate translation made use of the already-transcribed GAEL.
I'm guessing, but it seems the presentation served to take the foundation out from under both the common critical and faithful arguments.
The most common critical argument is that Joseph Smith produced or at least began a translation of the counterfeit plates claiming revelation. This process, being the same as he claimed to use to produce LDS scripture, confirms he was a fraud as the argument goes.
The LDS-faithful view that Joseph did not make this attempt, and William Clayton's journal was describing something rumored but not actually known by Clayton himself is also basically removed from the table as a valid option if my understanding of Bradley's presentation is correct.
This now suggests Joseph produced a limited "translation" of the plates but that this was not complete. It was based on using the existing GAEL and the meaning it provided for a common symbol contained in both. Because this was not via revelation, it preserves the integrity of Joseph's abilities as a seer and revelator without denying the process described by William Clayton in his journal if someone wishes to view it in this manner.