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Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:51 am
by _Simon Belmont
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Mormon apologists deny Joseph Smith is a god.


Probably because he isn't.

Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:29 am
by _madeleine
Simon Belmont wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Mormon apologists deny Joseph Smith is a god.


Probably because he isn't.


Why not?

Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:46 am
by _ezravan
Simon Belmont wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Mormon apologists deny Joseph Smith is a god.


Probably because he isn't.


Do you deny the doctrine of man becoming God and God being man? How do you live with the fact that many a prophet has affirmed this man becoming God? How do you defect from your own "praise to the man" Joseph, that made it clear that you would become a god?
please teach us. Has this doctrine change in Mormonism? Do you no longer think, by your works, that you can become a "god". Please show us how this has changed in the doctrine. I already know the answer. There is no answer.

Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:18 pm
by _antishock8
Simon Belmont wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Mormon apologists deny Joseph Smith is a god.


Probably because he isn't.

i think this guy is ignorant of Mormon doctrine. weirdo.

Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:52 pm
by _Themis
ezravan wrote:
Do you deny the doctrine of man becoming God and God being man? How do you live with the fact that many a prophet has affirmed this man becoming God? How do you defect from your own "praise to the man" Joseph, that made it clear that you would become a god?
please teach us. Has this doctrine change in Mormonism? Do you no longer think, by your works, that you can become a "god". Please show us how this has changed in the doctrine. I already know the answer. There is no answer.


I could be wrong, but I am unaware of where the church teaches Joseph has become a God yet, or even that he has been resurrected yet. Certainly LDS believe he will become a God.

Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:09 pm
by _Simon Belmont
ezravan wrote:Do you deny the doctrine of man becoming God and God being man?


I know of no such doctrine.

How do you live with the fact that many a prophet has affirmed this man becoming God? How do you defect from your own "praise to the man" Joseph, that made it clear that you would become a god?


No one has ever said that Joseph Smith is a god.

Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:33 pm
by _Equality
Simon Belmont wrote:
No one has ever said that Joseph Smith is a god.


Brigham Young wrote:]When Joseph Smith rose in the majesty of his calling before God, he saw what we are now hearing of through despatches received from week to week. The nation is ruined, and will crumble to pieces. They will destroy themselves. Joseph rose up and said - "I will save them, if they will let me." He stepped forth like a man and proffered his services to save the nation that is now breaking; and he would have saved it, if they had permitted him. What did they bestow upon him in return? They made a martyr of him - I would not like to say a saviour, although he is our benefactor. He is the man through whom God has spoken and revealed some of the most glorious principles that every were revealed to the children of men; yet I would not like to call him a saviour, though in a certain capacity he was a God to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be.
Brigham Young, February 10, 1861, Journal of Discourses, Volume 8, page 321.

Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:01 pm
by _Simon Belmont
Equality wrote:
Brigham Young wrote:]When Joseph Smith rose in the majesty of his calling before God, he saw what we are now hearing of through despatches received from week to week. The nation is ruined, and will crumble to pieces. They will destroy themselves. Joseph rose up and said - "I will save them, if they will let me." He stepped forth like a man and proffered his services to save the nation that is now breaking; and he would have saved it, if they had permitted him. What did they bestow upon him in return? They made a martyr of him - I would not like to say a saviour, although he is our benefactor. He is the man through whom God has spoken and revealed some of the most glorious principles that every were revealed to the children of men; yet I would not like to call him a saviour, though in a certain capacity he was a God to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be.
Brigham Young, February 10, 1861, Journal of Discourses, Volume 8, page 321.


Metaphor

Example: My family and I were so cold during the winter our furnace malfunctioned; we were icicles!

Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:04 pm
by _Equality
Maybe so. But your previous statement was unequivocal and unqualified.

Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:38 pm
by _Simon Belmont
So was ezravan's.