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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:03 am
by _Hasa Diga Eebowai
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Re: Mormon Sexual Abuse ... Ignored?

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:49 pm
by _subgenius
Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:Is "Forgive and Forget" the best advice to victims of sex abuse that come forward to Church leaders after years of suffering??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc0t3QtT8t0

the 30 second news teaser provided does not support anything you are talking about and only mentions, without specifics, "allegations".

What is the real reason that LDS Leaders don't want to report abuses to the proper authorities? Is it really out of reverence to "clergy penitent privilege or is it actually just to protect the Church from criticism?

who says they are not reporting abuses?

Why is it that the advice to leaders and the Handbook of instructions is to call a hotline that is run by the legal services department rather than a hotline run by psychiatrists to assist the victims?

First the church clearly states its policy of
"abuse cannot be tolerated in any form" in the church handbook
furthermore the handbook states
"All members, especially parents and leaders, are encouraged to be alert and diligent and do all they can do to protect children and others against abuse and neglect." (emphasis mine)
as well as in adherence to the BSA youth protection program (required)
The church even requires that any member who was abusive, to children for example, and has paid their debt to society and even been readmitted to the church is not to receive any calling which involves being around children. Additionally the handbook clearly states that when any actions are known to be in violation of applicable laws that those action need to be reported to the appropriate government agency....etc
The handbook further states that the 1st responsibility is to the victim by way of help and protection.
your conspiracy ramblings are seemingly just that....ramblings.

Why does the Church impose gagging orders attached to the million dollar payouts effectively buying the silence of victims and could it be considered as an example of further abusing the victims?

do you have some examples and/or evidence?

Why is the LDS Church so quick to forgive those that abuse and to place them in positions of trust while it is so hard on those who engage in consensual relationships or masturbation? Why is sexual abuse considered an example of apostasy in Catholicism but just a fact of life within their own religion?

do you have some examples and/or evidence?

Are there a number of beliefs that members have about their leaders and the authority structure particularly damaging, for example that there are no female leaders and so women are often misrepresented,

women are not often misrepresented, your insistence on "speaking for them" is as bad as what you accuse others of. The first part of your statement i can't understand what you are asking.

the belief that leaders have some form of special spiritual discernment even though those promptings can place children in extremely dangerous situations and interviews where teenagers are alone with an adult and are encouraged to talk about deeply personal and sexual issues.

?huh? que?
extremely dangerous?
whatever are you talking about?

Thanks,

Hasa Diga Eebowai

you are welcome

Re: Mormon Sexual Abuse ... Ignored?

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:25 am
by _Drifting
subgenius wrote:who says they are not reporting abuses?


ROBERT MICHAEL TUBBS, SLATERVILLE, UTAH, 1991-92 On 17 February 1994, Robert Michael Tubbs, age forty-two, of Slaterville, Utah, was sentenced to a prison term of six years to life and ordered to pay therapy costs for sixteen boys he sexually abused between June 1991 and August 1992 when he was a Boy Scout leader in his local Mormon ward. Investigation began in May 1993 when a Mormon bishop reported that he had received a letter from a boy saying Tubbs had molested him. Tubbs admitted to the deputy that he had been molesting boys since the early 1970s.

In 1985, he had been assistant Scoutmaster in 1985; he was stripped of his Scout membership after an allegation of sexual abuse in 1990. No charges were pressed for lack of evidence, but Tubbs was told "never to take part in scouting activities again and told to receive counseling by scouting officials." He transferred activities from his ward in Slaterville to nearby Harrisville; the crimes for which he was convicted occurred with Harrisville Scouts.

In 1973, shortly after returning home from an LDS Church mission to Japan, he began coaching a baseball team made up of 14- to 16-year-old boys from scattered towns in western Weber County.

He singled out a handful of players to grope and sodomize, mostly in his car after practice or games. He bought them hamburgers and took them to movies in exchange for their silence. He relied on their loyalty to keep quiet, and they apparently did.

Authorities never prosecuted Tubbs. He revealed his secret to no one except an LDS bishop whom he says told him to refrain from the conduct and advised him to see a counselor at LDS Social Services.

After he wed in an LDS temple at age 32, the church assigned him and his wife to work with children in the ward. He found himself leading a Scout troop.


subgenius, top tip - read the news and use google...

Here’s the scoop: the LDS Church is a defendant in 10 cases, which have given rise to 15 written opinions. Most are outside of Utah.
The hotspot seems to be Washington State, where a Mormon scoutmaster named Jack LaHolt allegedly abused children in the 1970s. His activity alone generated a third of the written opinions in Mormon civil cases – five opinions [2]. The LDS Church heavily litigating these cases on evidentiary grounds. Also in Washington was a case by the wife of a sex abuser who sued her bishop for granting her a Temple Recommend in order to get married, despite indications that her husband had such proclivities [3], and another case against the Church filed by one of the child victims, where the Church litigated whether it had to turn over its internal report [4]. The other cases are in South Dakota [5], Kentucky [6], California [7], and two in Oregon [8]. Utah had only one civil case involving Mormon sex abuse, and it was quickly dismissed, based on the notion that the Church had no duty to warn [9].


...and wasn't there a case recently where a woman was found guilty of wrong doing with a male minor and the Bishop had prior knowledge but didn't report or act?

From Deserted News

DUCHESNE — An LDS bishop who also serves as vice president of the Duchesne County School Board is facing criminal charges for his alleged failure to report a teenage girl's disclosure that she'd been sexually assaulted.

Gordon Lamont Moon, 43, of Duchesne, was charged Monday in 8th District Court with tampering with a witness, a third-degree felony, and failure to report abuse of a child, a class B misdemeanor.

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Gordon Lamont Moon, an LDS bishop who also serves as vice president of the Duchesne County School Board, was charged Aug. 22, 2011, with tampering with a witness, a third-degree felony, and failure to report child abuse, a class B misdemeanor. Moon, 43, of Duchesne is accused of failing to report a teenage girl's disclosure that she'd been sexually assaulted and of telling the girl not to talk to police.
From the archive
Woman admits confining niece to tiny closet for hours on end – July 7, 2011
Daggett search and rescue member arrested in child porn investigation – May 14, 2011
Daggett search and rescue member arrested in child porn investigation – May 6, 2011
Judge gives Roosevelt man sentences for each of his 7 teen victims – Jan. 27, 2011
Myton man facing charges in abuse of 6-month-old boy – Nov. 13, 2010
The charges against Moon stem from a July meeting with a teenage member of his congregation. During the meeting, the girl revealed that she had been sexually assaulted by a teenage boy and Moon advised her not to report the assault to law enforcement, according to Duchesne County sheriff's detective Dan Bruso.

After talking to Moon, the girl told her parents about the sexual assault and her bishop's alleged advice.

“The parents weren't happy with his counsel,” Bruso said.

They contacted the sheriff's office, reported the sexual assault and claimed Moon had advised their daughter not to talk to police, Bruso said.

Moon was interviewed by detectives about the family's allegation and told them he didn't believe the girl's disclosure needed to be reported, according to Bruso.

“It was his position that he felt that church action would take care of the problem,” the detective said, adding that authorities are frustrated by Moon's alleged actions.

“The reason why the (mandatory reporting) law is there is to protect children,” Bruso said.

“We tell kids, 'If something bad happens, tell a responsible adult — your teacher, your parents, the bishop," he continued. "The victim went to a responsible adult, the way that she'd been taught to do, and that responsible adult didn't follow through.”

When he was contacted Tuesday, Moon indicated that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be providing him with an attorney because the alleged offenses are related to his church calling and referred all questions about the case to that attorney.


subgenius?

Re: Mormon Sexual Abuse ... Ignored?

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:23 pm
by _subgenius
Drifting wrote:...subgenius?

interesting notes....one bishop does not report, yet another does, and yet we see plenty of anecdotal evidence (of which surely there is more) but we see no evidence of the Church having a policy of not reporting or of ignoring..what we see are crimes actually being reported and when individual bishop's fail to do the right thing we see them being reported and prosecuted as well, and we see no justification from the church for their actions.
The church provides an attorney for the one, yes one, example listed where it was relative to the church calling - which is why you see clear language in the church handbook for counsel with church attorney when church position is involved.
To consider that any, yes any, organization does not have a similar structure is rather naïve', immature, and ill-informed.
So, while some members of the church have made, obviously, bad decisions, i still see no evidence to support the claims regarding church policy in the OP, such as:
"Why does the Church impose gagging orders attached to the million dollar payouts effectively buying the silence of victims and could it be considered as an example of further abusing the victims?"
(note: if silence was bought, then how would you have heard about it?)
Should i post article after article where a Bishop has indeed notified the police of abuse? See the flaw in your posting yet?
Your anecdotal evidence is merely nothing more than that....anecdotal
Please, provide specific "church policy" as is proclaimed in OP.

Re: Mormon Sexual Abuse ... Ignored?

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:22 pm
by _emilysmith
Policy is irrelevant.

There are certain attachments people form with the organizations they identify with and it is human instinct to protect their organizations.

Some people's culture dictates that they act one way, and some act another.

It isn't just the Mormons.

But... since the Mormons have the "gift of the Holy Ghost," they should be the exception.

And they are not the exception.

Mormons are just as weak as the rest of the human race. Holy Ghost or no.

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:34 am
by _Hasa Diga Eebowai
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:34 am
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:51 am
by _Hasa Diga Eebowai
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Re: Mormon Sexual Abuse ... Ignored?

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:15 am
by _Drifting
subgenius,

Dykes confessed his abuse in 1983 to the local Scouts co-ordinator, who also happened to be a Mormon bishop, but was allowed to continue working with the Scouts. Lewis said he was molested by Dykes over the following two years. The Mormon church settled with Lewis and seven other victims of Dykes more than a year ago.


I would also recommend you read the thread "Holy Ghost on vacation...again..." to see two recent examples of alleged abuse at the hands of Mormon Priesthood holders during times when they were carrying out their callings. I would predict that these two cases will never get to court, the Church will settle before that.


Hasa,

There are so many examples such as this one that are 'settled' by the Church before it get's to a public hearing. If there's nothing to hide why take steps to hide?

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:46 pm
by _Hasa Diga Eebowai
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