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I don't know if this has been posted before or not, but am curious to see if it get's any traction.

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/p ... iofortruth

Anti-mormon "truth" is not actually the truth. It is the perversion of it.

If anti-mormon "truths" about the history of the Church were actually true, those of us who are not party liners, who have been and are independent thinkers and experiencers of life, we simply would not be Mormon. Those of us who know the other side, know evil, know there is no truth in anti-mormon versions of what is Mormonism.

We are Mormon BECAUSE we have no interest in man made religion, that is foolishness and lacking in truth and logic.

ldsfaqs wrote:Anti-mormon "truth" is not actually the truth. It is the perversion of it.

If anti-mormon "truths" about the history of the Church were actually true, those of us who are not party liners, who have been and are independent thinkers and experiencers of life, we simply would not be Mormon. Those of us who know the other side, know evil, know there is no truth in anti-mormon versions of what is Mormonism.

We are Mormon BECAUSE we have no interest in man made religion, that is foolishness and lacking in truth and logic.

I am guessing that you didn't sign the petition...

ldsfaqs wrote:Anti-mormon "truth" is not actually the truth. It is the perversion of it.

If anti-mormon "truths" about the history of the Church were actually true, those of us who are not party liners, who have been and are independent thinkers and experiencers of life, we simply would not be Mormon. Those of us who know the other side, know evil, know there is no truth in anti-mormon versions of what is Mormonism.

We are Mormon BECAUSE we have no interest in man made religion, that is foolishness and lacking in truth and logic.

Based on what? Founded in what? According to whom? Mormonism is a man made religion if there ever was one. It is founded on the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price. The Bible isn't even needed where Mormonism is concerned... Is Christ first or Moroni? Where is the Cross? Does man exist to become gods, or was man created so that God would become a man?

LittleNipper wrote:Based on what? Founded in what? According to whom? Mormonism is a man made religion if there ever was one. It is founded on the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price. The Bible isn't even needed where Mormonism is concerned... Is Christ first or Moroni? Where is the Cross? Does man exist to become gods, or was man created so that God would become a man?

LittleNipper,

Mormons use the Bible. Just a FYI. It is also a revealed religion and based on God. Your views are just factually wrong. End of Discusssion.

Unfortunately, LN, the Bible is "used" by Mormonism to support the doctrines and beliefs created by Joseph Smith. The Book of Mormon is in many ways the foundational "scripture" of Mormonism but since few of the doctrines unique to Mormonism are actually found within its pages the Mormon "interpretation" of the Bible is essential to Mormon beliefs.

Albion wrote:Unfortunately, LN, the Bible is "used" by Mormonism to support the doctrines and beliefs created by Joseph Smith. The Book of Mormon is in many ways the foundational "scripture" of Mormonism but since few of the doctrines unique to Mormonism are actually found within its pages the Mormon "interpretation" of the Bible is essential to Mormon beliefs.

That's not really true. Mormon theology is actually based on the Bible, but also considerably on the Judeo-Christian tradition of the early Christian period, and even Judaic esoteric thought. Christianity is a far wider faith than most Christians realize, the depth of Christian thought has diminished in many mainstream congregations in the past century. Most modern, mainstream Christian denominations are pale representations of the tradition. Mormonism certainly has roots in Christian thought, even ancient thought, but roots that are generally incomprehensible to most, though this is hardly the fault of Mormons.

son of Ishmael wrote:I don't know if this has been posted before or not, but am curious to see if it get's any traction.

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/p ... iofortruth

The problem with this petition, in my opinion, is that it is just kind of silly. Religious history is always kind of skewed, it is the nature of the exercise. I attended a Buddhist retreat where the history of Buddhism, and the story of the Buddha was discussed. It is generally accepted in Buddhist circles that the story of the Buddha is not really true. The prince who left home after seeing an old beggar... is considered to be apocryphal, or the story of a previous Buddha, but not the Buddha that started the movement. The story is instructive, however, so it has continued. Some purists may perpetuate the story, but most Buddhists I know just don’t care. They find faith in Buddhist practices, so the backstory is secondary. I am a practicing Buddhist, despite being Christian (which is certainly possible, particular in the Zen sect in which I practice) so I do not believe in reincarnation, only that the Buddha was a smart guy.

A Jewish friend of mine discussed how they consider the Genesis stories to be the same, instructional, but not complete Gospel truth. Even the Exodus, which he firmly believes in, he does not accept as being completely historically accurate (he thinks the wandering was less than 40 years)

I think ex- and anti-Mormons get too hung up on the historical nuances of Mormonism. Mormonism certainly whitewashes its history, but so do Catholics, Lutherans, Buddhists, Muslims, etc… When I discuss married Popes, murderous Popes, etc… with my Catholic friends, they shrug and state that people are still people, and continue being Catholic. They know some Popes were jerks, but see no reason that the Church (Catholic in this case) needs to validate this.

Mormons who study history know that Joseph was a jerk at times. Again, why does the Church (Mormon in this case) need to validate this? Joseph was a complex individual, who was human and had human vices. Moses likely picked his nose, Muhammad likely had gas (the food over there lends itself in that direction) and the like, but this does not invalidate their divine message. This is life.

Bhodi wrote:The problem with this petition, in my opinion, is that it is just kind of silly.

Exactly. You don't need to say more about it.

Bhodi, I'm not quite sure just what you are disagreeing with. If you are Mormon you will, of course, argue that Mormon beliefs such as baptism for the dead and degrees of glory are Biblical. But without opening those discussions yet again, to Christian "orthodoxy" they most certainly are not no matter how you might argue them.