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"Losing our Religion" on NPR
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:42 pm
by _DrW
This was posted by Dave (e-nomo), an administrator over on the post mo board. Went to the site and found a number of very good pieces on this subject. Thought these might be of interest here.
(Thanks, Dave)
Dave (e-npmo) wrote: National Public Radio has a short series going called "Losing Our Religion" which is about the growing number of Americans who are, or are becoming, religiously "unaffiliated". I've only caught bits and pieces of this, but what I've heard was pretty interesting, and I'm glad to see the whole series is available online.
http://www.npr.org/series/169065270/losing-our-religion
Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:46 pm
by _subgenius
I find the trend among younger people, and the theories as to why, to be the most interesting.
However, i do appreciate the following tidbits:
Still, religion still rules in America, as Putnam tells Greene.
"Even with these recent changes the American religious commitments are incredibly stronger than in most other advanced countries in the world," Putnam says. "The average American is slightly more religious than the average Iranian, so we are a very religious country even today."
since 1950 when 2% of adults had no religious affiliation to 2010 with only 16%
"It begins to jump at around 1990," he says. "These were the kids who were coming of age in the America of the culture wars, in the America in which religion publicly became associated with a particular brand of politics, and so I think the single most important reason for the rise of the unknowns is that combination of the younger people moving to the left on social issues and the most visible religious leaders moving to the right on that same issue."
which i believe is another by-product of the ongoing degeneration of the family in America.
In a nutshell, the group:
comprises atheists and agnostics as well as those who ally themselves with "nothing in particular"
includes many who say they are spiritual or religious in some way and pray every day
overwhelmingly says they are not looking to find an organized religion that would be right for them
is socially liberal, with three-quarters favoring same-sex marriage and legal abortion
which, to me, reveals a certain confusion and contradiction among this group of emerging "nones". I consider that a symptom of a defective social product....and the following is why i am convinced that it is a larger social defect...
According to Harvard professor Robert Putnam, who writes about religion, this young generation has been distancing itself from community institutions and from institutions in general.
If the institutions degrade and destruct instead of evolve and adapt then what?
surely, since we have all learned that no society has ever lasted.....
who among us is willing to take the bullet for the future? who is willing to joyfully fall into demise with our community, our culture, our traditions, and our future for the sake of the next great society? A society which can only rise from the ashes of everything any of us here could ever and have ever considered "worthy".......
....well almost everything
Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:14 pm
by _DrW
subgenius,
Apparently "The average American is slightly more religious than the average Iranian, " is a statement of which you are proud.
Do you not see the problem with this?
Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:45 pm
by _subgenius
DrW wrote:subgenius,
Apparently "The average American is slightly more religious than the average Iranian, " is a statement of which you are proud.
Do you not see the problem with this?
no, there is no problem. What problem do you see?
Obviously, the average American exercises his religion in a different manner than does the average Iranian....but i think it is an interesting distinction given that Iranian government is so closely linked to its religion....ironic really.
Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:09 pm
by _palerobber
subgenius wrote:If the institutions degrade and destruct instead of evolve and adapt then what?
surely, since we have all learned that no society has ever lasted.....
who among us is willing to take the bullet for the future? who is willing to joyfully fall into demise with our community, our culture, our traditions, and our future for the sake of the next great society? A society which can only rise from the ashes of everything any of us here could ever and have ever considered "worthy".......
....well almost everything
*yawn*
i'm pretty sure the world will still revolve without church basketball, trunk or treat night, and phone calls to collect visiting teaching numbers.
Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:59 pm
by _subgenius
palerobber wrote:subgenius wrote:If the institutions degrade and destruct instead of evolve and adapt then what?
surely, since we have all learned that no society has ever lasted.....
who among us is willing to take the bullet for the future? who is willing to joyfully fall into demise with our community, our culture, our traditions, and our future for the sake of the next great society? A society which can only rise from the ashes of everything any of us here could ever and have ever considered "worthy".......
....well almost everything
*yawn*
I'm pretty sure the world will still revolve without church basketball, trunk or treat night, and phone calls to collect visiting teaching numbers.
rather myopic conclusions.....it will also still revolve without gay marriage.....and whatever the current scientific study is going on...etc...it will likely keep revolving until it stops......hardly the point....
the point is are you prepared to be that simple minding your own business Mayan that one day looks up and sees a Conquistador lop the head of the King-God?
(because, in this scenario, you are most certainly the Mayan and not the Spaniard)
Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:05 pm
by _son of Ishmael
DrW wrote:This was posted by Dave (e-nomo), an administrator over on the post mo board. Went to the site and found a number of very good pieces on this subject. Thought these might be of interest here.
(Thanks, Dave)
Dave (e-npmo) wrote: National Public Radio has a short series going called "Losing Our Religion" which is about the growing number of Americans who are, or are becoming, religiously "unaffiliated". I've only caught bits and pieces of this, but what I've heard was pretty interesting, and I'm glad to see the whole series is available online.
http://www.npr.org/series/169065270/losing-our-religion
I see this as a good thing. While there will always be conflict in the world, I think there may be a lot less warfare. If most people believed that there is no paradise or heaven to go to after their lives are over they would be a lot less willing to go to war or strap explosives to themselves.
Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:21 am
by _ludwigm
subgenius wrote:DrW wrote:subgenius,
Apparently "The average American is slightly more religious than the average Iranian, " is a statement of which you are proud.
Do you not see the problem with this?
no, there is no problem. What problem do you see?
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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:25 am
by _DrW
DrW wrote: subgenius,
Apparently "The average American is slightly more religious than the average Iranian, " is a statement of which you are proud.
Do you not see a problem with this?
subgenius wrote:no, there is no problem. What problem do you see?
subgenius,
When was the last time you visited Iran?subgenius wrote: What problem do you see?
ludwigm wrote:Critical error #0001: no system on default drive
Ludwig,
Sometimes you crack me up. Urban Dictionary wrote: 1.crack me up 198 up, 29 down
When someone says something funny and you start laughing uncontrollably you say, "YOU CRACK ME UP".
Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:21 pm
by _ludwigm
DrW wrote:Ludwig,
Sometimes you crack me up.
Thank You.
LUCIFER (to the LORD, little after the Creation): (the whole SCENE can be read
here)
The fruit of mine own nature, nought beside
Can I give Thee;
(pointing to the angels)
this abject band may give
Thee praise enough, and it beseems them so.
That would be out of keeping with my nature.
[pointing at the angels]
Your paltry hosts will give you all the praise
that is appropriate for them to give you
I only render what is in my nature.
(Pointing to the angels)
This wretched crew will serve to flatter You,
Not surprisingly since they’re Your creatures.
I can pass nothing except my essence.
(Pointing to the angels.)
You are praised enough by this caddish crowd,
As to praise you is only fair of them.
DrW wrote:Urban Dictionary wrote: 1.crack me up 198 up, 29 down
When someone says something funny and you start laughing uncontrollably you say, "YOU CRACK ME UP".
"Urban Dictionary"
Thank You again. I have it and use frequently. On this site it is not omissible.