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You have undoubtedly asked yourself what was up with the various advanced stages of Hominids in the pre-existence. Perhaps your Gospel Doctrine teacher has discussed this matter thoroughly. Without having attended BYU, I am more than a little fuzzy on the answers and I am too lazy to do a search of the FAIRwiki on the works of Dr. Hugh Nibley.

1. Did Neanderthals choose clubs rather than assault weapons in the Heaven War?

2. Did the pre-adamites fail to keep some commandments such as shining with an other than white light?

3. Did Homo Erectus prove embarrassing to Adamic royal ladies when they passed the Sacrament to them?

Sorry if that last question seemed far fetched, but your know those young Erectus boys can be so in your face.

The answers are out there.

are you proposing that the temporal origins of man are synonymous with the spiritual origins of man?

Subgenius, it seems to me that in Mormon Cosmology, in order for an intelligence to be fuse with a human body, they both must first exist. The Adamic theory proposed by Bcspace and others, is that both existed prior to this fusion. Man evolved to the point where he would yodel and have a fondness for swiss chard and then voila, the conditions were ripe for the first Adamite.

moksha wrote:... have a fondness for swiss chard ...

The swiss card was well known on planet Mars - so it is widely used in Hungary today.

See viewtopic.php?p=184698#p184698
and http://www.pagat.com/national/hungary.html

moksha,

I'll let sub and bcspace answer for themselves, but I fail to see any tie between the natural evolution of humanoids on this planet and the adamites. Adam/Eve were engineered beings, designed to house spirits and they were perfect, and unable to die. It was upon their corruption and introduction into this biosphere that they became mortal and susceptible to death. This is akin to a colonization of this planet where the native populations interbred with this engineered species. The notable difference between the two initially being the very long lifespan of the adamites due to their engineered nature. Overtime the adamites were corrupted and their lifespans shortened to match the native populations life span and that is what we see in the human race today.

So as far as I (and other Mormons that view evolution this way), there is no connection between the temporal (or evolved origins of the human race) since we also possess an engineered origin as well.

moksha wrote:Subgenius, it seems to me that in Mormon Cosmology, in order for an intelligence to be fuse with a human body, they both must first exist. The Adamic theory proposed by Bcspace and others, is that both existed prior to this fusion. Man evolved to the point where he would yodel and have a fondness for swiss chard and then voila, the conditions were ripe for the first Adamite.

yes, ver well then...but...again...the OP seems to be making assumptions that you have yet to confirm or deny...or clarify.
As for the yodel...pretty sure it pre-dates our banker friends and occurs globally...is the yodel necessary to incorporate into any answer offered for the OP questions?

Science strikes again:

NATIVE AMERICAN CONNECTION TO 40,000 YEAR OLD HUMAN IN NORTHWEST CHINA

http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/01/2013/native-american-connection-to-40000-year-old-human-in-northwest-china

Analyses of DNA recovered from the leg bones showed that the Tianyuan human shared a common origin with present-day Asians and Native Americans. In addition, the researchers found the proportion of Neanderthal and Denisovan-DNA in this early modern human is no higher than in current populations living in this region today.

Poor Joe Smith can't get a break. Of course, as per Mopologists, these early humans had no soles.

Quasi,

God has always made such distinctions. We don't baptize lesser developed beings like apes or whales. I'm not denying they are intelligent, but that isn't what God is showing a preference towards. He seems rather involved in a certain engineered and select group of individuals whether it be adamites, israelites, christians or Mormons. The scriptures seem rather clear on that point and it is unremarkable.

Tobin wrote:Quasi,

God has always made such distinctions. We don't baptize lesser developed beings like apes or whales. I'm not denying they are intelligent, but that isn't what God is showing a preference towards. He seems rather involved in a certain engineered and select group of individuals whether it be adamites, israelites, christians or Mormons. The scriptures seem rather clear on that point and it is unremarkable.

I've noticed that whales don't bother to baptize humans, either. We are, of course, in the same family as all great apes, so apes do baptize apes. Some of us are more apish than others, but we are all bipedal and have no tails.

I can't imagine why God would show a preference to any of his creations. I think if he did, humans might be on the bottom of the list. Remember, the scriptures were written by humans.

I merely posit an hypothesis that puts LDS doctrine on the creation and Evolution Big Bang into harmony.

I tend to go with the notion that perhaps the spirits inhabiting homo sapiens prior to Adam were of a lesser variety. The OP counters, and not unreasonably so, that there must be spirit/temporal (assuming for the moment that the meaning of temporal is the traditional one even though doctrine on D&C 77:6 shows us it's not) counterparts in heaven and earth, and that such much be so similar as to be indistinguishable in a 'tangible' sense thus somehow bestowing upon them the right to be children of God in all actuality. I disagree with that last.

Furthermore, there is scriptural precedent for spirits of one species inhabiting the bodies of another, such as when Jesus cast out the devils into a herd of swine. In that case, the spirits of a greater species goes into the physical bodies a much lesser species and subsequently the heard drowns itself. In my hypothesis, a lesser species is going into a greater and physically indistinguishable species so it could merely be a case of not being able to use all the available tools which could explain why modern homo sapiens didn't develop civilization for more than a quarter of a million years.

The nice thing about my hypothesis is that it doesn't require God to have done anything we haven't heard of Him doing before, such as the spirit of one species into the physical body of another though that certainly would be a very weak argument against because if God exists, then we literally have a deus ex machina but only in the sense that we don't understand all the ways God operates, not because God can and must be able to do anything which we know is not true, God being limited by rules.

I don't know what the basis of the "mopologetic soulless preAdmite" accusation is, but I've never claimed that. LDS doctrine is that all living things have a spirit thus my hypothesis includes preAdmite homo sapiens with spirits which is part of the last step in our creation.

Of course besides the above, my hypothesis can handle some sort of "uplift" without new spirits being born or perhaps some other ideas as well.

I've noticed that whales don't bother to baptize humans, either. We are, of course, in the same family as all great apes, so apes do baptize apes. Some of us are more apish than others, but we are all bipedal and have no tails.

Actually, Evolution says that we and the apes have a common ancestor.